How do you know when you're looking at a good era?

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  1. demigawd

    demigawd Boxing Addict Full Member

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    One of the most hotly debated topics in boxing is evaluating the quality of any given weight class at any given time. There are always people who play the "yeah but who did he beat?" game (a game which can be played with literally any boxer in history where you dismiss them as overrated by looking at the resumes of their opponents, and failing that, the resumes of their opponents' opponents until you uncover a stack of bums). In reality, though, how do you know you're looking at a good era?

    How do you discern whether a division that is ruled by a single dominant fighter is the way it is because the fighter is that good or everybody else is that bad?

    How do you discern whether the lack of a clear champion is the result of everybody being elite or everybody being mediocre?

    What makes, for example, Ron Lyle, Ken Norton, Ernie Shavers, and Leon Spinks better than Shannon Briggs, Tommy Morrison, Riddick Bowe and Ray Mercer? Or Byrd, Ruiz, Valuev, and Chagev?
     
  2. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers Kimbo #1 P4P Full Member

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    The same thing that makes you ******ed - reality.
     
  3. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    Its a good question, I guess the quality if the opposition if we see fat sloppy boxers that fight shitty even in other fights then you compare it to another decade and they are in beter shape and box better than the era is better.
     
  4. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    If you have a long history of not only watching previous eras, but actually being there and experiencing them at the time, then I think you're in a good position to gauge and compare. You'll never be completely accurate, but you'll have a pretty educated guess. But you may be carrying a bit of nostalgia with you, though. Particularly if you resent the current era for whatever reason (mainly because of the fighters involved).
     
  5. demigawd

    demigawd Boxing Addict Full Member

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    OK, that's a good answer.

    Now, based on that, if you were looking at the likes of an Ernie Shavers or a Ron Lyle, and compared him to the likes of, say, a Chris Byrd or David Tua, is it cut and dry just from looking at the footage to conclude the Shavers and Lyle are better?

    What about Lyle vs. Povetkin? Just from looking at them, is it OBVIOUS that Lyle is the better boxer? Or Shavers vs. Briggs?

    The second most dominant fighter of the golden era of heavyweights was George Foreman. Other than his amazing physical gift of brute power, could you look at footage of him and think, "We're looking at a great fighter right there!" compared to, say, Riddick Bowe or Lennox Lewis?
     
  6. bremen

    bremen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It is not obvious and it is impossible to compare. That's why we have unbiased and impartial pundits and commentators to tell it like it is.
     
  7. TitoMahawk

    TitoMahawk Retarded trolls detector Full Member

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    "How do you know when you're looking at a good era?"

    When this era is past.
     
  8. the commentator

    the commentator Boxing Addict Full Member

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    thats why you have commentators for that **** - the commentator:hat
     
  9. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    you can just tell if an era's shitty or not
     
  10. itsa huge bitch

    itsa huge bitch Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    when all the belts are being fought for in america by americans and being promoted by american promoters who in turn help the american bookies thats how you know a good era...theres a reason boxing isnt as big as it used to be..kind of like horse racing..to much shady dealings in the past..
     
  11. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A good era is when no single fighter dominates, we've just experianced a fantastic SMW era, if Ward beats Bute and anyone else who pops up (Dirrell) then people will complain the era is flat.

    Calzaghe had his era at SMW
    Hopkins had his at MW
    RJJ had his at LHW
    Brothers K have theirs at HW.

    People don't appreciate that these guys were above their competition thus dismiss it as a poor era, after Hopkins, Calz, and Jones had left their divisions then those divisions suddenly became alive, there has to be more to it than timing.

    You can't have a good race when one horse is so much faster than the others, you can however have a fantastic exciting race with several horses who are slower, yet all running at close to the same speed. That applys to eras.
     
  12. demigawd

    demigawd Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Some interesting answers here.

    So let me ask you this. We are in what's considered possibly the strongest SMW division in its young history. If Ward were to go on to utterly dominate the SMW division and emerge from it undefeated and even unchallenged, would we look back on the division as not having been good simply because Ward didn't lose?

    I believe we often look at the Spinks era as one of the mightiest LHW eras of all time. He emerged from it undefeated. Has that coloured your view of the era in retrospect? What about SRR in the welterweight division? Was it a strong division during his reign?
     
  13. demigawd

    demigawd Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Out of curiosity, how do you rate the 2000s heavyweight division, when there were four champions?
     
  14. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    ..... when the best fighters actually fight each other, as in the complete opposite of this era.
     
  15. demigawd

    demigawd Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So if today's heavies DID fight each other, you believe it would be considered a strong era? The two Klits do fight everybody, but among the rank and file, you're correct, there isn't a lot of in-fighting.