How do you rank Frank Bruno's performance vs Tyson in first fight

Keep thinking outside the box :rasta, if that's what you call it. And keep proving to everyone here that you're mentally unstable. Or just some sad troll. Nobody agrees with you because you're idiotic.

 

What are we discussing here? Yeah Tyson is responsible for everything that happened to him in his career but that doesnt discount the fact he was no longer going about his craft like the "best in the world" and what got him to that point and that was a real factor in what happened after he fired Kevin Rooney.

A boxer, especially one that can fall back on what Tyson could fall back on which was his power, has to be constantly reminded up until the point he stops fighting, to use proper technique and train a certain way. Tyson no longer liked being told how to train, when to spar, when to run, what to do.
You only have to listen to corner commentary to hear the advice a guy like Bright was giving him compared to Rooney for example. Even during the course of many of Tyson's fights, he had to be reminded to use his jab, move his head more and setup his shots th proper way. With Bright and Snowell, you heard a bunch of cheerleading bull**** like, "you got him Mike, knock him out Mike and the results of all that bad advice was clear in his performances. Even though Tyson may have looked lackluster against guys like Tucker or Smith, he was never as sloppy or getting hit and taking the type of punishment he was taking in fights later on.

 

You ever seen Tyson Ruddock?

He lost concentration because the guys he was fighting were here to hug and survive

namely Smith and tucker

 

ouch!! didnt "fists of fury" agree with me?

I am not trolling, you just dont agree. good for you. In many ways the bruno fight was a good win for Tyson because he learned to KO a fighter who was looking to hang on. He could not manage this against bonecrusher.

Nobody thought Tyson was in decline until AFTER the douglas fight - THIS IS A FACT. folks jumped on the whole "never was the same since rooney left" idea just because he lost- which is fine, I just think Tyson didnt EVER looked as good in competative fights.

You think Tyson was declining because he was in competative fights. If the world thought Tyson was in decline why was douglas such an underdog? I remember because I was around, Tyson was still regarded as the best on the planet all the way until the douglas fight.

 

Yes they were good fights. They were competative and Tyson won them. Everyone thought he was going to get his title back - thats how good they were, but Tyson went to jail instead. The way I remember it once Lewis dispatched ruddock people started to say "Lewis proved Ruddock wasnt all that after all, a declining Tyson made him look good" I think the truth was Ruddock was good but the Tyson wars ruined him. Its funny how a lot of ideas become law.

 

It was not any worse. I think Frank tried harder to win than most of them. Mind, Ribalta was very brave.

I agree.:good This was a big deal at the time.

Agreed, Tyson was far too fast for Frank. He just was too good. I just think it was a game effort and Tyson did well to beat him.

Yes this is right. Nobody thought Tyson was in decline though did they?

Now now, Frank was no more out of depth than old Holmes, Tubbs, thomas, spinks and berbick and they were all world champions. If Frank wasnt much of a fighter what does it say for the versions of Tubbs, Holmes, thomas, berbick and spinks that tyson beat?

 

But were Tucker and Smith trying to win as hard as bruno, Ruddock and Douglas were? maybe if they were (and they were both as capable as frank bruno) Tyson may have looked as sloppy as he did in fights with ruddock, Bruno and Douglas?

 

Or as spectacular as he did against Holmes or Tubbs?

It doesnt take an expert to see the difference in how Tyson fought. We had seen Tyson start just as quickly and look a lot better breaking down and stopping his opponents. A lot of people recognized this including the commentators who mentioned how wild Tyson was in the early stages of the Bruno fight.

 

Tyson knew Bruno from when he was a kid. He wanted to finish the fight quick and he was going for the KO, he already had bruno over. wasnt Tyson also wild going for the finish against Thomas? How about the time he threw himself down on the floor against bonecrusher? Tyson was often wild when frustrated.

 

you think the world had established that Tyson was already in fistic decline before he met douglas?

 

I think so. He was starting to have problems prior to the Spinks fight, but seemed to be able to keep it together in training becauase of Kevin Rooney and Co. Tyson was very angry going into the Spinks fight and Rooney was able to channel that anger towards Spinks. Part of what I think made Tyson so destructive that night.

When that discipline went away the same kind of erractic undisciplined behavior that was happening in his private life carried over to his professional life in training camp.

 

This just makes no sense and its not true. Tyson was off balance against Bonecrusher and slipped, he didnt throw himself down on the mat.

He wasnt wild against Thomas either in the finish, it was probably one of the best three or four punch finishes of his career against an opponent who had never been stopped and took some real punishment before going down.

 

nobody was aware of any of this untill after the event. At the actual time of the bruno, williams and leading up to the douglas loss people were not saying "Tyson has never been the same since rooney left" that line was never uttered until after the douglas fight.

 

watch the thomas fight again. Round 4 and 5 Tyson was out of ideas and piklon was out hustling him - it was the same clueless patern Tyson would display against douglas only poor thomas was too washed up to exploit it. there was a delay at the end of that round while thomas had a glove replaced then round 6 started the extra time out Tyson had "woke up" like it was the first round again finding the punches to save the day.