How do YOU rank the Heavyweights?

Before Liston fought Ali, many people ranked him ahead of Louis and I personally think the Ali fights were fixed so I don't degrade him in my book due to that.

 

That was Liston's choice (if the fight was thrown). Sonny's legacy should suffer. Besides that, should I rank Ike as # 1?

 

Lewis certainly not higher than Holyfield?

Lewis over rated because of his two victories over ordinary journeyman? Whos the second journeyman? Tyson I assume is one of them? That was his second last fight dude? Lewis made his career long before he battered Tyson. Its not Lewis's fault he battered Tyson so badly. Tyson was shot. Everybody knew that.

Against Holy, Lewis was the better of the two in their two fights. Not just because I say so, because the majority of all boxing peoples say so. They were close fights but the fact is Lewis was the better fighter in both fights and to say that the first fight was not questionable to score for Holy is to discount what EVERYONE felt and expressed at the time. Even without the questionable decision it was still a split decision and the majority of experts scoring it had Lewis winning it.

Holy lost to Bowe twice out of 3, Moorer once, lost one of 3 fights with John Ruiz. That's not getting into his last decade of fights beyond his prime as that wouldn't be fair.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that Holy is ONE of the all time greats. However, to rank him so much higher than Lewis seems to me to be biased.

The people that over rate Holy are often the same that over rate Bowe. Bowe had 3 good fights all with Holy. Americans fell in love with both of them after those 3 fights they were EPIC. Did Bowe have some skills? No doubt. Did he make the best of those skills? Not even close. If Bowe was so good he wouldn't of struggled against Golota as he did and he was struggling before the low blows. Look what Lewis did to Golota?

If someone rates Lewis higher than Ali or your top 5 heavy's and you find that crazy well that's fair dude. Make your case why its over rating Lewis. However, to get upset about that and then drop him to 13 having Holy at 7 seems to me to be more CRAZY simply in the opposite direction.

Just because Holy was a lot tougher than Lewis doesn't mean he was better than Lewis. That was simply part of what made Holy so great. Lewis was a big and skilled fighter for such a big guy, that's what made him so great. Lewis in his prime focused on a fight was a monster and would of been for anyone.

Your top heavyweight list isn't bad overall, however, having Lewis ranked 13th seems unjustly biased to me.

 

no of course it should not be.

your simply ranking TOUGHNESS/HEART which is hugely important no doubt but why LIMIT yourself intentionally? Too hard to consider all the details at one time?

What other details? Like lets say that I am tougher than you by a long shot but your just a better fighter than me by a long shot? We fight and I give you a hell of a fight because I am so tough but you win the fight. That doesn't make me a better overall fighter than you. Lets say you lose a couple of fights by knock out but then come back to beat great fighters? Its not just your couple of knock outs that deserve to be counted, they deserve to be counted as do the rest of your wins. A loss is a loss, just because a fighter may have been competitive in a loosing effort does not change the fact that it was a loosing effort.

How do I rank Heavyweights?

Using all the details, not just some of the details.

 

I like this list. Not the head to head list, I meant ranking them as ATGs. Actually I like the H to H list as well, lol, I was simply focusing on his first list.

Here is the thing. On this Forum people either LOVE Lewis and Wlado or they freaking HATE them. It is wacko. Its funny but its messed up. Dudes will claim Lewis and Wlado because of their evolved size combined with evolved skills for that larger size would beat any past heavyweight of history or dudes claim they would have their clocks cleaned by the old timers, there is no middle ground.

The fact is they were champs. That cant just be discounted because we are positive that the old timers would clean their clocks just as the old timers cant be discounted because the modern era of heavys are bigger with decent skills and could give the old timers real problem because of this advantage.

 

Lewis #13? Wlad #16? Yikes. If you think they had glass jaws you should check out Jack Johnson who was starched by a light heavy, and floored another time by a super middle.

 

The difference there is that Holyfield was getting edged out by great fighters, Lewis was getting destroyed by nondescript opponents. Him coming back and defeating said opponents (one of which he dragged straight out of drug rehab) just proved that he only had the ability to beat these lowly opponents on a second go around. Now of course avenging these brutal losses doesn't amend the fact that they destroyed him the first time.

 

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Your squirming might have had some credibility if you had mentioned Don King being the one that dragged McCall out of rehab, as opposed to using your schoolgirl type imagination and claiming Lewis was responsible. Furthermore your arithmetic leaves something to be desired. Losing one, and winning one against the same opponent reads better than winning one losing 2 against an opponent, or even drawing one, and losing one, as was the case with Holyfield, not to mention that the whole boxing world was totally shocked with the draw result. Funny how these 2 nondescript fighters both KO'd Lewis yet Holy never looked like beating him, what does that make him, one wonders?

You do also realise that Lewis wasn't destroyed by McCall, rather he was up and arguing with the refs decision at time of stoppage, but with King involved it was no wonder the ref was in a hurry to get the crown back to America.

 

Lewis fell on the referee when he checked if he was OK.
Good enough reason for a stoppage, but I expect you to not admit it.

 

I realize you only listed wrestlers from the new generation era, why is that?

 

Major factor!

How did perform in relation to the level of their respective competition? Did they take on the best available? How actively did they defend the title?

The H2H becomes espeially comical when it serves as the bastion of the blowhards who feel compelled to insult those who disagree with their speculations. Extra Blowhard points are earned when they tout their alleged expertise.