How do you rank Tyson Lewis and Holyfield if...

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  1. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    EDIT: to clarify its a different scenario for each fighter


    Tyson beats Holyfield in 1991 before retiring or going to prison and never fighting again?

    Holyfields gets past Moorer and Bowe 3 victorious without or despite his "health complications" and retires after 2 wins over post prison Tyson

    Lewis never loses to Rahman and McCall, possibly allowing him to get a win over Bowe?

    I think Tyson would have a real claim to top 5
    Holyfield has a claim to top 3 HW and top 10 P4P
    while lewis is probably Top 3 if not higher at HW if he retired undefeated.
     
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  2. BCS8

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    If Lewis never lost and beat Bowe he'd be #1 sorry Ali please step aside.
     
  3. Kratos

    Kratos Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ali, Tyson, Holyfied and Louis would be ranked 1A, 1B, 1C and 1D with most people having them in any order. What screws Lewis up in current all time rankings is his loss to Rahman and if that didn't happen many people can argue that Lewis head to head can beat any heavyweight in history, the McCall fight doesn't do much damage really.
     
  4. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I would still argue he can beat any heavyweight in history, but unfortunately i can also rightfully argue any decent size heavyweight with good power has a chance to land on him and spark him out
     
  5. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You say Tyson retires after 91, but then you say Holy retires after beating Tyson twice.
     
  6. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Different scenarios for each fighter. Obviously.
     
  7. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well the issue is it would affect where they rank h2h. So if Lewis went undefeated but didn't have the Holy victory(s) people would say he didn't face the top fighters and it would be tough to rank him over Mike and Holy. As it is I think Mike would get the biggest bump up in this hypothetical as a win over a prime atg would solidify him in the top 5 imo. I already have Lewis at top 3/4 and I don't think this changes that. If Holy lost to a 91 Tyson it probably lowers his stock a bit.
     
  8. Unique Way

    Unique Way Active Member Full Member

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    - Douglas loss would still hurt Mike's legacy

    - can't see that scenario since Holyfield's loss to Bowe was very conclusive. Assuming he still has that loss to Bowe and retires after beating Tyson twice. I think people would always question why he retired without fighting Lewis

    - I don't think McCall loss hurt Lewis' legacy that much since it made him much better boxer than he was before. But Rahman loss - yes, it hurts his legacy a lot. However, had he beaten Rahman that night and never lost again, I don't think he would be considered #1 HW ever. He would probably be the strongest candidate at #3 spot (after Ali and Louis) but people will always remember the two biggest names he beat were either past prime (Holyfield) or totally shot (Tyson) plus both were much, much smaller than him. Bowe win would change a lot though, if we are talking about 1993-1995 version of Bowe
     
  9. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Personally I feel the Holy's loss to Bowe and Tysons losses are worse than Lewis's. Lewis was one shotted, whereas Holyfiel and Tyson were beat. Also, Lewis stopped the guys that stopped him.