How do you rate Hearns win over Duran?

I have no interest in flinging s**t at others. There are two threads that can be consulted. You pick and choose what serves you and disregard anything that doesn't.

 

It seems like actually counting wins over Duran, for whichever fighter, is making an excuse for Leonard.

 

I think it's better if you don't reflexively respond to all of my posts that address Duran from now on.

I don't enjoy bad faith discussion.

 

Where have I not given Hearns' his due? I claimed something and I backed it up, and it wasn't even concerning the Hearns fight proper. It bothers you because Duran bothers you for some reason, and I get the feeling it has to do something with SRL.

I am no diehard fan, I just happen to be relatively normal compared to some people who go "omg!! excuses!!!" and lose their s**t anytime anyone gives a dissenting argument against theirs.

 

I posted something regarding the Moore fight. But you didn't look it up yourself. You imagined that because I disagree with you in many other places, I must be running some sorta agenda. That's very good faith discussion kappa.

 

What seldom gets accepted or bandied around is that SRL, as brilliant as he already was had not hit his peak. Duran fans would not want to hear nor explore it where as if the boot was on the other foot the narrative would be ENDLESS. It would be harsh to call him green but the pure fact of the matter is that he was undeniably behind Duran and that Duran was the complete article at the time of the first fight and Leonard was not.

Now everyone is going to say yeah yeah but what about the weight Duran was giving up etc etc etc......well i'm not talking about Duran. If anyone denied Leonard came out the other side of Duran 1 a better fighter i'd have trouble taking them seriously as a poster. Most of the improvement was mental as Duran had given him a crash course in the art of mental warfare, one that seasoned observers will have noticed Leonard used to his advantage in later fights. Duran hoodwinked him and made him pay. The other improvement was realising that he could be beaten. It forced him to do quite a bit of soul searching. I would opine that Leonard was at his absolute peak when he retired with the damaged eye.

Cue outrage

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You haven't backed a single word you said up. And saying it was a great win on paper and then trying to call Moore's shape for the Duran fight into question certainly didn't look like you were giving Hearns his due.

But I'll give you the benefit of a doubt. Just state clearly that it was an ATG performance from Hearns and you can't be accused of trying to diminish it.

 

If someone posted something like this for Duran, it'd be labelled an excuse by atleast 2 posters. SRL was 60% into his professional career and it is quite interesting that he hit his peak 6 months later when the his opponent wasn't at his best.

 

I literally wrote that Hearns looked unbeatable at 154.

I just argued against some people mentioning Duran's performance against Moore. The article is in the thread. See for yourself. It's absurd. I am literally taking credit off Duran and yet you somehow think that's fanboy behaviour. Who's living in whose head rent free?

 

Again and for the last time: Just state clearly that it was an ATG performance from Hearns and you can't be accused of trying to diminish it.

No"great win on paper" or "looked unbeatable" which can mean more than only one thing, just clearly "it was an ATG performance" which only has one meaning.

It's really easy.

 

Those who aren't dense can clearly see I already have. You are far too obsessed with excuses to an unhealthy degree.

Did you read the article?

 

You've defaulted back to Duran.

I never said Ray hit his peak 6 months later did i? It can plainly be seen that i was of the opinion he peaked about a year and a half later, around 5 fights. It could be argued it was straight after Duran i guess....actually no you'd have to look at after that second fight and the confidence and experience gained from redeeming himself.

 

So after numerous chances of clearly stating "it was an ATG performance", which only has one meaning, you won't. Instead you stick to "great win on paper" or "looked unbeatable" which aren't nearly as clear.

It says what anyone needs to know, and I won't waste any more time on showing it.

 

He looked great all through the Benitez fight to his 1st retirement. Maybe not the Hearns fight, but it was a great display of heart from him.

 

He did but i specifically stated why he improved post Duran and what was lacking. Joe Louis looked amazing against Max Baer too.