How do you rate Jake Lamotta's resume?

Suz, you did ask the question.

 

You ask a question ,it gets answered you don't like the replies so they are unnecessary criticism.?
Go through my replies and point out. ONE INACCURACY.


Robinson was conceding 16lbs to Lamotta.

I'm not sure Ray could give 16lbs to:
Zale
Cerdan
Steele
Walker
Greb
Ketchel
Monzon
Hagler
Jones
Tiger

What do you think?:think

 

I like Lamotta, I couldn't care less what he was like as a person .
I evaluate him as a boxer that's it, end of.
SRR was a scumbag, so was Ketchel and Monzon, history remembers them all as great middleweights and so do I.

Why would Lamotta need to duck a 144.5lbs welterweight?


Don't ascribe immature motives to me that I don't have.

I am capable of leaving personalities out of things.

You need to take a long look at yourself , and don't bother with the pm's .

 

i terms of ability at that point, they seem to be quite similar.

in terms of the resume, jakes is significantly better than either and probably better than both of theirs added together.

 

Yes his resume is better but they are pretty even in their bouts.

 

McVey, I agree with you and Kingfisher. I think Jake's resume is far better than the two Frenchman combined. It was the head to head thing that was an issue. These two really seemed to have the old hex over Jake. Taking nothing from him, he did take on the top guys of the division. He also took on welters and light heavies. He would apparently fight anybody, but I truly believe the movie glorified the skill-level above reality. If anything he was erratic. He could look great against Sugar, but lose to a Cecil Hudson. He was one tough dude, though.

 

Have you taken into consideration he was getting 16lbs from Robinson and Cerdan was fighting one armed? Concerning his win over Dauthille, Lamotta said in his autobiography " I was very ,very lucky to win that fight. He was 29years old, hardly ancient.

 

I disagree with your age argument. He was erratic. The Hudson fight I mentioned earlier was when he was 26. Look at the report.

"Cecil Hudson, 155, Milwaukee, scored a rousing upset decision over Jake LaMotta, 165, New York's top-ranking middleweight, in a 10 round bout before 6,501 fans at a Damon Runyon cancer fund show in Comiskey Park last night. It was the 3rd fight in eight months for LaMotta, who showed only flashes of his old-time form and was out-boxed from start to finish by Hudson. Despite his 10 pound pull in weight, LaMotta staggered Hudson only twice and was badly tired at the finish. LaMotta, who has been clamoring for a shot at middleweight champion Rocky Graziano, seemed unable to solve Hudson's rapier left leads and his famed body attack had little effect on the fast moving Cecil. LaMotta tried desperately to rally in the closing rounds, but every time he cornered Hudson, Cecil carried the fight right back to his heavier foe. In much better condition than LaMotta, Hudson repeatedly landed 3 or 4 stiff lefts before LaMotta could counter. Trying desperately for a knockout in the final round, LaMotta then found range, but his punches lacked steam and Hudson viciously butted his way out of the ropes. Referee Tommy Gilmore voted for LaMotta 55-45, but the two judges gave the nod to Hudson." -Associated Press

Now this is not to say that Jake couldn't have got Hudson in a rematch. Afterall, these guys fought often and at a high level. I don't think Hudson was necessarily high level (he lost his next 8 fights) but he was tough. What he and Dauthille appeared to have in common was boxing ability and a good jab. Lloyd Marshall too kept Jake at bay with that jab. The Sugar Ray fights were always going to be close and exciting because Ray was a fighter and always met his opponent inside, outside or wherever. Think of his fights with Fullmer and Basilio. There was no fancy boxing there. What was strange was the Villemain fights. Villemain was a smaller version of LaMotta. He actually beat Jake at his own game which seems highly implausible but he did. There are a lot of maybe's here. Maybe he was past his prime, maybe he outgrew the division, maybe he was fighting too tough a schedule. I personally think Jake was an outstanding talent, who thrived on an inside fight, who had real problems with boxers, and who was not nearly the God that the movie painted him as.

 

Lamotta called it luck as in," I was very, very lucky to win that fight"