How do you rate teddy atlas as a trainer/coach?

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  1. Forza

    Forza Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  2. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Not at the highest echelon, but he's not garbage like some would say.

    He is clearly a Cus D'Amato clinger / hanger on. Nothing wrong with that though, since it works! Learn from the best.
     
  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Not as highly as I rate him as a street fighter and an OG.

    Here he is responding to disparaging comments made about him recently by notorious former underboss of the Gambino family Sammy Gravano. Most observes felt Teddy would just let them slide because ''Sammy the Bull'' is not the kind of person anyone in the right mind wants beef with. However, I knew Teddy coming from the place he comes from and being the Man he is would fire right back. Teddy doesn't just talk the talk he walks it too.

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  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not highly.

    Teddy is the halfwit son of a wealthy physician. A rich kid who wasn't very bright and hung out on the streets thinking he was tough, until trouble arose and he called his dad who would always pull strings to bail him out.

    He got a lot of mileage when he worked with Cus D'Amato when Mike Tyson was there. D'Amato was old and didn't travel, so Atlas worked the corner. Then Atlas pulled a gun on Tyson and they gave Teddy the boot, because he was a nobody and apparently didn't realize you shouldn't pull guns on 15-year-olds.

    When Tyson became famous, people thought Atlas had something to do with it. So they hired him. Most figured out he was a mess by the 1990s. He usually worked with a name for a couple fights and then got dropped. He never took anyone from his debut to the title. Ever.

    So he started calling fights on ESPN. But viewers quickly realized he just repeated the same tired cliches over and over.

    For some reason, the former Soviet countries - where Tyson is still a hero - have gravitated toward Atlas in recent years because they think he had something to do with Mike Tyson becoming Mike Tyson. But they're all starting to realize what Atlas is and most have dumped him, too.

    Great trainers, like Eddie Futch, work with fighters and develop champions until the old trainers keel over and die. Atlas gets a call from a name. Works with them for a fight or two. Then they dump him when the shine comes off.

    Today, Atlas is basically a celebrity trainer and a podcast host. That tells you everything you need to know about what kind of trainer he is.
     
  5. The Professor

    The Professor Socialist Ring Leader Staff Member

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    Very poorly. He's probably the worst high profile trainer around. A narcissistic grandstander who brings little to the table in terms of actual skill. There's a reason his main gig is boxing commentary, and has been for most of his career in boxing.
     
  6. Fat_asian

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    He did pretty good with the 3 Mike's. Michael Moore, Michael grant, and Mike tyson. His main thing was turning his fighters into ******* s. Getting all up in them with his motivating techniques.

    He did a good job with Tim Bradley, close Pacquiao fight. Remember * we are firemen!"? Also he is oozing with knowledge. His lack of amateur fights due to scoliosis affected his training a bit.

    I believe he was kicked off of ESPN because he was being too real. You can't say **** about the in house fighter because that is what pays the bills, staying loyal to the programs message, not deviating by voicing his own opinions. He should of learned that from hbo, always nuthug and be biased with an opinion towards who they were in allegiance with. A good example here was Vernon Forrest (God bless) vs Ike quartey. There was no robbery committed here, but to lamps max Harold (God bless) and Larry made it sound like the robbery of the century. I guess they wanted Oscar to look better by beating Ike who should've beat Forrest. But Forrest won in a close fight I believe. I will boxrec to confirm this.
     
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  7. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    "Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat."

    This motivational speech from Teddy IMO is his only contribution to the world that I'm bothered about.

    Other than that... pretty much what Dubblechin said, and it's rare for Dubblechin to say smart things.
     
  8. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well going off of what he says about boxing in his podcast and in interviews, he sells boxing technique basics that most amateur coaches and half this forum already knows, as some kind of secret.
    Tries to make basic information appear special by using allegories and strange comparisons, taking half an hour to make a point.
     
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  9. ray fritz

    ray fritz Active Member Full Member

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    Pretty well, Teddy is great
     
  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Actually, his first fight with Michael Grant was Grant losing in the first round to Jameel McCline (which was a freak injury). Michael Grant went from a pretty dominant heavyweight before getting stopped by Lewis (which happens), to a jittery, confused, fighter under Atlas. Atlas and Grant were a terrible team. Grant got progressively worse under Atlas until Guinn took him apart.

    And Michael Moorer was pretty dominant under Emanuel Steward. With Teddy, we got a lot of Teddy showboating in the corner, and Atlas threatening to punch George Foreman at the press conference, but not many stellar performances. He started before the Mike Evans fight. And the Vaughn Bean fight was sort of it for them.

    Teddy wasn't with Mike Tyson after Tyson was 15. Teddy had squat to do with Mike Tyson's success.

    And he was with Tim Bradley for Tim's last two fights. They went 1-1.
     
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  11. IntentionalButt

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    I am "some"; he's garbage. :D

    If not for a trickle of D'Amato's wisdom seeping into his thick head through osmosis just by virtue of proximity (right place/right time), he would literally not KSAB. He doesn't have nearly the "mind for it" he thinks he does.
     
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  12. Serge

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    I feel Gvozdyk would've done better against Beterbiev with someone else in his corner. Not saying he would've won albeit he could've on his night if he boxed to the best of his ability, but he would've at least made it to the final bell IMO. That being said, prime Teddy with a full training camp behind him would stop Beterbiev in the championship rounds and I rate the later very highly. On the cobbles under street fighting rules Teddy hurts Artur very badly indeed.
     
  13. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. Full Member

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    Please use the forum search...there are too many duplicates threads
     
  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me Full Member

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    *With a gun in hand. ;)

    Teddy's very tough when armed, versus someone who isn't, remember.
     
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  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol: To be fair, I wouldn't blame Superman for pulling a gun on Tyson, even a 15 y/o one. Even I wouldn't feel 100% confident of taking a 15 y/o Tyson on.
     
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