How do you rate the trainer Don Turner?

Its certainly true that Tyson, [and Patterson,] had a tendency to have their feet squared.

 

That’s like saying he isn’t much of a trainer though. Who are we to judge what his abilities are? Isnt that for the boxers to decide?

You can be a great coach who dosnt like pads. There’s a lot more to it. A real problem would be a trainer who dosnt like roadwork or sparring.

 

Even if that was true, the trainer is there to keep the boxer motivated and focused on his own plan. The boxer can’t do it on his own. He will source the sparing and routines in the gym to best practice for that strategy. The trainer would have to agree with the strategy, whoever devised it. if the coach didn’t agree with the plan he would not put his name to it. And if he did agree to the plan then he is there to call upon all the other similar plans and obstacles he has had with that type of plan since he has likely came against something similar before.

Sometimes the fighter credits the trainer sometimes he credits himself.

 

Turner got the Holyfield gig when Steward wanted his set fee changed to a percentage. Evander wouldn't go for it, so they parted company.

 

How about using the shoulder roll?

 

As I stated I rated him based on the sum of evidence, not just on his views on pads. There was a lot more information then "a great coach who doesn't like pads".

 

The shoulder roll is a new name for something that has been around for years. We don’t know if he was calling it BS for not being any use or BS for being a new name for an old style. And like all styles and techniques there are plus points and negatives for everything. Hence BS to the notion that the shoulder roll is some kind of game changer. It isn’t. Nothing is.

Most of these things people pick up on is simply Turner saying great fighters never did something or needed a particular technique or training aid to be as great. Isn’t he just saying if Robinson didn’t need it then it cannot be a game changer? What’s wrong with that.

Seems to me a lot of non-boxing people are looking too hard to discredit him.

 

None of that information amounted to anything totally damning. What rules him out exactly?

 

OK.

 

You are making interpretations of his quotes that he never implied. He never said the shoulder roll is nothing new, he said it is bullsh*t because you can be hit on your arms.

The shoulder roll/Philly shell /cross armed/crab defence, call it what you will ,was around before I was born, and utilised by guys like Archie Moore in the 40's.
Why are you talking to me as though I've never seen a pair of boxing gloves?


Who are the," non boxing people trying too hard to discredit him?"
How about his statement that you cant "overtrain?" Do you agree with it?

 

Bit of recognition here, may be posted already.



Boxing Writers Association of America Trainer of the Year Award

The Boxing Writers Association of America give the "Eddie Futch Award" annually to the "Trainer of the Year." (Previously named the "Eddie Futch - John F.X. CondonAward," 1989-2008)

• 1989 - George Benton
• 1990 - George Benton (2)
• 1991 - Eddie Futch
• 1992 - Eddie Futch (2)
• 1993 - Emanuel Steward
• 1994 - Teddy Atlas
• 1995 - Felix Trinidad Sr.
• 1996 - Don Turner
• 1997 - Emanuel Steward (2)
• 1998 - Jack Mosley
• 1999 - Miguel Diaz
• 2000 - Felix Trinidad Sr. (2)
• 2001 - Bouie Fisher
• 2002 - James (Buddy) McGirt
• 2003 - Freddie Roach
• 2004 - Dan Birmingham
• 2005 - Dan Birmingham (2)
• 2006 - Freddie Roach (2)
• 2007 - Enzo Calzaghe
• 2008 - Freddie Roach (3)
• 2009 - Freddie Roach (4)
• 2010 - Freddie Roach (5)
• 2011 - Virgil Hunter
• 2012 - Roberto Garcia
• 2013 - Freddie Roach (6)

 

Yes he won the award for his training of Holyfield for the Tyson fight,I can't see how they could give it to anyone else really? I thought Tyson was in danger of doing Holyfield permanent damage in that one! I was totally wrong!
I just want to ascertain what input Turner had into the training of
Mike McCallum
Aaron Pryor
Vitali Klitschko
Wladimir Klitschko
Vasyl Lomachenko
And, nobody has yet been able to answer the question!

 

One poster is ," making grand claims", saying Turner trained 20 world champions.YOU !
See where I come from, if you make a statement it is up to you to prove it ,not me to disprove it!

I'm not defensive at all , you haven't produced jack sh*t that I need to defend myself from, just a lot of slobber and self justificatory whining .

Why would you need me to help you find the answers?

I never made the claims! You did! The onus is on you to prove them!

I've looked at Box Rec and there is nothing about Turner in the records of Pryor,Lomachenko,the Klits,or McCallum

Don't you find that strange?
Perhaps other links can show he had significant input in their training ,but I sure as f*ck haven't found any, and I've been looking believe me!

I don't want to make enemies anywhere, but if to avoid that means I have to lie through my teeth and fawn over some poster I think knows considerably less than I do,Im not going to do it!
Whether you or anyone else here dislikes me is completely immaterial to me.
I've got all the friends I'll ever need thanks.