How do you rate the trainer Don Turner?

Here is Don Turner before the second Kovalev v Ward fight saying.
1. Ward is an ordinary fighter.
2. Barrera wasn't a good fighter.
3.Salvador Sanchez was ordinary.
4. Fighters can't change
When the interviewer gives him Barrera as an example of a fighter who changed his style he dismisses it.
One fight I saw last year Santa Cruz v Frampton was totally different when they rematched because Santa Cruz changed his style and it worked because he won the fight.
Is this correct or am I wrong?

 

lol correct. He reminds me of the trainer McClellan had for the Benn fight. Like a punch drunk pug that doesn't make sense anytime on any fighter. He surely cant be an addition to anyone's training camp can he ???

 

Turner has a right to his opinion...same as you do....doesn't make him right or wrong!!!

 

No of course not.
Let me ask you the question the interviewer did. And ask you to agree or disagree with Turner's comments about the other fighters mentioned
Q1. Did Barrera change his style after being stopped by Junior Jones ?
Q2.. Did Leo Santa Cruz change his tactics for the second Frampton fight?
Q3.Is Andre Ward an ordinary fighter?
Q4.Was Salvador Sanchez an ordinary fighter?


A1.
A2.
A3.
A4.
I look forward to your answers.

 

I think all the top older trainers are great trainers. And there is probably less between most of the good ones than most think. How can they not be? Any half intelligent guy who’s been around the game his whole life should pick up enough experience to be worth listening to.

But like I say, the boxers don’t have the time anymore to persevere with just one guy after a loss. It’s in vogue to move to another gym and start over with somebody new. And to be fair, a lot of trainers once they have made a name for themselves will just wh0re themselves out to work the corner of any champion.

Coaching is coaching. A fighter either feels like he can benefit from one guy or he doesn’t. It’s the guys that more fighters benefit from than others who make a name for themselves isn’t it.

 

Turner set up his gym in 1994.

Do you agree with his comments on my post above yours?
He says a fighter cannot change how he fights.

He says
He says a fighter cannot over train
Barrera was ordinary
Ward was ordinary
Sanchez was ordinary

Is he right ? Yes or No will do!

 

If he said those things he would be wrong, but in my view it would not make him a bad trainer to be wrong about those things. Ward and Sanchez were not ordinary. But that could be relative or taken out of context. What anybody says Is subjective. It’s what somebody does or has a reputation for that counts more isn’t it?

No matter how great a fighter is there are other fighters of that level.

To be a good trainer is to have a reputation for producing fighters who benefited from having him around. Saying the right thing at the right time to get the best out of them. That’s all it is.

Fighters and trainer can say what suits a situation. There is a lot of salesmanship that goes on. Sometimes to convince themselves or to convince others.

 

There is no " if "about it, he said it on camera and I posted it!
Who has Turner produced ?
Who is he credited with having made top fighter?
I have asked a lot of questions on this thread but I've yet to see any answers!
I'm finding that very strange!

 

Here are some more of Don Turner's statements.
"Roman Gonzalez couldn't compete in the old days.
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"Evander Holyfield going from195lbs to 215bs didn't help him at all."
"Rocky Marciano would ko Wladimir Klitschko with the first punch he landed."
"The Klitschkos couldn't punch down."
"Size doesn't matter".
" Floyd Mayweather Jnr probably wouldn't even be a contender back in Robinsons time".
"He would be just a 6 round fighter because he can't punch."
"The shoulder roll is nonsense."
" Pad work is bullsh*t."

Id like the opinions of posters on these comments.

 

He was listed as the," assistant trainer," for the second fight, that can be a euphemism for many things can't it.

 

My opinion on these statements is that Don Turner is entitled to say these things. He might not be right but he has paid his dues in the sport enough to endorse these opinions if he wants to.

Saying the shoulder roll is nonsense is fine. It may or may not be meant in the literal sense. Don must be irritated that kids today think the shoulder roll is something new. It’s all been done before. All these technical aspects are techniques that are no more effective than something more conventional. Just another way of doing exactly the same thing.

Same with the comments about mayweather and Holyfield. He may or may not mean that in the literal sense.

evander jumping from 195 to 215 may have helped his career but perhaps Turner is privy to private aspects in Holyfields life where his health and well being were more effected than some realise. Perhaps he even thinks Evander was good enough without the added weight, who knows? Nothing wrong with it.

Mayweather was untouchable for his day but Don was about back when he believes the level of competition was different, perhaps, aspects that made a fighter more financially successful in that period were different. He remembers when great fighters like Charley Burley were only contenders rather than champions. So saying Floyd might not be so relevant back in the day might not be such an insult after all. Turner is still qualified and entitled to say so.

Size absolutely matters. But it depends who you are talking about.

Some padwork is bullsiht! Nobody is going to convince me a lot of the mayweather patter cake stuff serves any purpose whatsoever.

 

Sounds like a man whose opinions about boxing and boxers aren't to be taken too seriously, regardless of his resume.

 

He is indeed entitled to say anything he pleases .
Just as we as a forum, and as individuals are also entitled to give it what due weight/credence we see fit.


p .s. Burley retired in 1950 ,when Turner was 11 years old.

 

I used Burley as an example. Each generation provides more Burley’s. Each decade up to 1990s there were guys good enough to be champs today that had nowhere to go.

Nothing that Turner said could make him a bad trainer. There is always one way to look at it where it makes perfect sense to say what he said.

What do you make of those pad work outs that have become popular?

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Its interesting that you have a positive interpretation/explanation for every one of Turner's quotes.
An example is the
"shoulder roll,Turner says it is nonsense ,not because it has been around for years and is nothing new ,but because, in his opinion it is ineffective and the way to counter it is to hit the opponent on the arms.