How do you rate the trainer Don Turner?

My opinion on these statements is that Don Turner is entitled to say these things. He might not be right but he has paid his dues in the sport enough to endorse these opinions if he wants to. Saying the shoulder roll is nonsense is fine. It may or may not be meant in the literal sense. Don must be irritated that kids today think the shoulder roll is something new. It’s all been done before. All these technical aspects are techniques that are no more effective than something more conventional. Just another way of doing exactly the same thing.

Same with the comments about mayweather and Holyfield. He may or may not mean that in the literal sense.

evander jumping from 195 to 215 may have helped his career but perhaps Turner is privy to private aspects in Holyfields life where his health and well being were more effected than some realise. Perhaps he even thinks Evander was good enough without the added weight, who knows? Nothing wrong with it.

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   Mayweather was untouchable for his day but Don was about back when he believes the level of competition was different, perhaps, aspects that made a fighter more financially successful in that period were different. He remembers when great fighters like Charley Burley were only contenders rather than champions. So saying Floyd might not be so relevant back in the day might not be such an insult after all. Turner is still qualified and entitled to say so.
   
   Size absolutely matters. But it depends who you are talking about.
   
   Some padwork is bullsiht! Nobody is going to convince me a lot of the mayweather patter cake stuff serves any purpose whatsoever.

 

Well, Larry Holmes certainly doesn't seem to think very highly of him and disparaged his contributions as a trainer:

https://books.google.com/books?id=Q...us? Let me tell you about Don Turner.&f=false

"Then Holmes is on to trainers, specifically Don Turner, Currently with Holyfield. 'Now he’s such a genius? Let me tell you about Don Turner. He don’t know nothing! I come back to the corner and he says, How you feel, champ?' I look at him like he got to be crazy. 'How am I supposed to feel, mother-****er—guy’s hitting me!' I took Don Turner by the shirt. 'Don’t you ever ask a fighter how he feel when he come back to the corner!'"

 

I do wonder if there would be such a campaign to discredit Turner If he did not say Rocky would have knocked out the Klitschkos

 

Pretty sure I mentioned in a different thread that a lot of the ex-Soviet fighters ended up hiring him because he happened to develop a relationship with a then-unestablished Egis Klimas at the right time, and asked Klimas to send him Soviet fighters.

My impression is that he was a longtime minor gymhand-type trainer at Gleason's (and maybe elsewhere) before his career took off. He ended up making his name and getting a lot of buzz (and work) off his work for post-prime Holyfield and Holmes.

 

Yes, it’s very funny. The fights Larry won with Turner Dons ok. The fight Larry lost with Don he’s not okay...

I don’t hold that against Larry. It’s just how fighters are. And trainers too. They go where the buck is, and why not? Most of them spend years working with kids who leave them.

 

I’m with you on this bud.

Some people think its fine to rule one great fighter out on the strength of one great Trainer then think it’s okay to diminish another Trainer who does not comply...

 

They had a bit of a feud but it seems that Manny Steward thought that Don Turner was an incompetent idiot.


https://books.google.com/books?id=Y...chael a realistic back-up plan, which&f=false


“Also there was a trainer controversy. Grant had been trained for his entire professional career by Don Turner. Now there were whispers… “Don Turner isn’t a very good trainer. He only succeeds with fighters who already know their trade…Don Turner didn’t teach anything to Evander Holyfield or Larry Holmes. He only monitored them."

And Lewis’ trainer, Emmanuel Steward, added fuel to the fire. “The biggest asset we had was Don Turner. Don had no respect for Lennox, and that surprised me. Don thought Lennox had won all of his fights because of his size and strength and, now that Don had a guy who was bigger and stronger than Lennox, Lennox would crumble. He brainwashed Michael. Michael really believed that all he had to do was be aggressive and Lennox would fold. And yes, Michael is a big man, but he doesn’t use his height well. Plus Don Turner never gave Michael a realistic back-up plan[…]
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“And again the naysayers are whispering, “From a technical standpoint, Grant is a terrible fighter. He beats people physically, not with any level of skill…If Grant were six-foot-three, 230lbs , instead of six-foot-seven and 260, he’d be a .500 fighter.”

 

He started in 1994 as far as I can tell ,when he opened his own gym. Which great fighters have hired him as their trainer in the last 20 years? Turner was Kova's trainer only for his first ten fights then Kovalev left him.
Holmes was a 45 years old ex champ, looking to supplement his pension plan, what could Turner or anyone else teach him at that stage of his career?
I'm not putting him on the stand, I'm holding up for inspection your statements such a as "he saw Rocky fight when he was in his teens" something you said on an earlier post,you have no idea if he ever saw Marciano fight in the flesh ,you know it, I know it, and so does everyone else!
Why don't you find out exactly what Turner's roles were? At least then you would be commenting from a position of knowledge!
I've nothing against the man ,I'm sure sitting down, shooting the breeze with him would be a very rewarding experience.He has no doubt met a lot of very interesting characters in the game and accumulated tons of anecdotes and experiences.I thoroughly enjoyed my conversations with trainer Jimmy Glenn and count myself fortunate to have had them. You can't call anything I have said unfounded unless you can prove their lack of veracity and so far you have produced jacksh*t.I repeat I have nothing against Mr Turner and no agenda towards him, what possible reason would I have for doing so?

 

Which fights are you talking about? Do you have quotes where Larry praises Don Turner for the fights he won with him? And how do you know he's talking about a fight he lost here?