How do you see Joe Louis do against modern Super HW's?

Maybe this belongs in the classic forum?

 

I'm a huge admirer of Joe Louis, but I think he's too small. A prime Klitschko beats him IMHO.

 

How many of these past heavyweight vs current heavyweight threads have you created now?

 

He was slightly taller than Chambers and Chambers beat Dimentriko who is taller than Klitschko.. How can that be if size is the only deciding factor?

 

Dimitrenko is rubbish, I say that even though my boy Parker beat him up.

Size is not the only factor of course, but I just think that 4-5 inches of height and 45-50 lb is a huge mountain to climb against anyone who has elite skills. I know you don't rate the Klitschko's but do you think he beats Lewis? Or Fury? Or AJ?

I'd cheer Joe 100% if such a fight could have occurred, but the objective part of my brain says that it's a bridge too far.

 

Dimitrenko was rubbish against Parker , but not when he was prime and undefeated 8 years ago against Chambers.

Size isn't the only factor , but you made it the only factor. If it was the main factor how do you explain Moorer knocking 7 foot Mike White all over the ring?

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos...e-trade-blows-during-a-bout-picture-id1791199

Skills can over come size and Louis had the skills to chop down big men. Maybe not Lewis since he equipped the tools to handle Louis . Wlad and Vitali did not , especially glass chinned WK who would be left twitching in a crumpled heap once Joe kracked his mouth piece.
Only very few SHW had elite level skills. Bowe , Lewis and Fury. Thats it.

 

I never said it was the only factor, it's only the main factor if both fighters have elite level skills IMO.

So it comes down to whether the Klitschko's have elite skills or not. We'll have to agree to disagree because I'll never convince you that they do/did, will I?

 

he'd split them in two.

size being the main factor, those huge guys are so big would gass themselves out of the fight trying to keep up with louis workrate.

 

You said he loses solely on the basis he was too small. No mention of him being arguably the greatest HW of all time with one of the greatest all around skill sets of all time.

So it comes back to being a skill discrepancy. WK never fought nobody near the level of Louis and got sparked and went life and death against guys nowhere near the level of Joe Louis.

Hitting and holding , back humping and bear hugging every 10 seconds is not elite level skill. Nobody with Elite level skills would ever , ever go life and death with a bum like Sam Peters.
If fat no talent Peter can bounce him off the canvas , Louis who was the same size lays him out on the canvas for 5 mins.

http://sport-xl.org/uploads/posts/2015-03/1425895558_corrie-sanders.jpg

 

It is a size vs skill matchup though, size is the only reason I think Joe is the underdog. You'd pick Lewis or Fury, right, due to size advantage over Joe? Because Joe's skills and speed are better than either guy.

I agree that he's either the greatest HW of all time or the second greatest IMO. I'd like to think he could win ...

Let's not debate Wladimir Klitschko any further here, we have done that before and are never going to agree on that.

 

Agreed, dude.

There's obvious flaws in people who want to denigrate a boxer based on one fight - usually picking the low point to build a case like a tin pot lawyer would - and ignoring how they can develop and improve. Wlad's learning curve was slow but relentless and the fruits of levels of dedication most boxers fail to maintain. Manny Steward's Wlad 2.0 obliterates the earlier version. Cherry picking a single fight and working off that to make a case is the preserve of the feeble-minded.

As for the question? Well because the HW division has no weight limits and Louis would be approximately 40llbs lighter than Wlad on fight night, shorter and with less reach, the physical disadvantages alone would be too much, in all probability.

But that's why this is all but pointless to debate. Louis wouldn't be 208llbs fighting Wlad in 2010 and Wlad wouldn't be 245llbs fighting in the 50s. Probably best to move on from this KiwiMan, for a couple of reasons tbh...

 

Louis would do well against the average Joe Schmoe SHW but the extra pounds would become problematic when matched against SHW's with actual skills. Guys like Lewis, the Klitschkos etc may be difficult to beat.

 

I'm not getting any love, bros!!

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