How do you think the rematch will go? Loma-Haney

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  1. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    Loma no-mas' welterweight Haney this time round.

    Loma's figured Haney out, I believe the only chance Haney has here is if he stacks the deck even higher. The bulk of Haney's work, like Lopez, came from body punches, which he could afford to do having a 6 inch reach advantage.
     
  2. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We need to drop this misconception. Styles are evident from the get go, footage available for years, Haney didn't figure Loma out in the first half and forgot about it nor Loma figured Haney out too late after months of prepping for the guy.

    A boxing match is a grueling, long physical encounter with fighters rarely able to give 110% over 12. So Haney had the fast start & fast hands whereas Loma had the typical late start and smarts. EVERBODY incl. Lomachenko knew after the same type story vs. Lopez that he MUST push FULL 12 if he wanted to guarantee the decision or stoppage. Do you think he DECIDED that he'll cruise half the fight (incl. the 12th) or he WASN'T ALLOWED IN until his conditioning brought him in?

    If anything, the 12th going to Haney proves that Lomachenko has equally limited stamina, just used at different parts of the fight, and like Clen in GGG rematches it's young Haney who learned what to do vs. the more experienced operator. Which is to pace himself better and win 9 rounds instead of 6. But neither really figured the other one out, one is just a fast starter, the other a late finisher and I'm a great boxing analyst.
     
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  3. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    It ends the same. Loma beats him and gets robbed of his victory.
     
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  4. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I reckon with Anatoly and vast experience in his corner, Lomachenko is better suited to adjust in rematches, though ironically we've never seen him rematch anybody.
     
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  5. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    Loma most likely stops him in the rematch. Will be more than ready to counter those rights to the body. Also will REALLY step on the gas after he hurts devin again.

    Let’s see if lowlife devin actually rematches him though.
     
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  6. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Loma gave away the 12th round, that’s on him. I believe Haney hurt him to the body and zapped his energy. Haney’s body work was the difference in the fight, IMHO.
     
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  7. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think we see a repeat of the first fight. Loma doesn't do enough early on and comes on strong late and probably loses another very debateable decision.

    In the two losses Loma has had against Lopez and Haney we've seen this pattern of Loma starting slowly and failing to get the decision despite a strong finish. It kind of reminds me of Hopkins at the end of his middleweight reign. Age is catching up to Loma, he simply can't work for 3 mins of every round for 12 rounds anymore, he has to ration his out put.
     
  8. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's far more likely that Lomachenko punched himself after dominating Haney in rounds 10 and 11 than the latter's body work zapped his energy.

    That said, Loma was more active/engaged in Rd 12 than many on here seem to believe.

    Indeed, according to Compubox, Lomachenko threw 55 punches in Rd 12, a figure on par with his output in Rds 10 and 11.
     
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  9. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'd actually favor Haney, he was fighting on even terms with Loma for most of the fight (something being swept under the rug because of the controversy), what let him down was his engine late. It wasn't just that Loma had "figured him out", Loma had figured him out by round 3, he just had trouble with the dimensions and the fact that every time he touched Haney, Haney touched him back to the body when he couldn't get the head. He didn't expect that.

    Haney coming undone and tiring helped Loma immensely, he can fight and still be a master of his craft late, he can still think and stay focused, Haney kinda fell apart. And to me that's what cost him the fight. If they can have Haney go 1-12 with the same focus and vigor, I think he "could" win a "deserved" decision.

    And before anyone calls me a hater, I thought Loma won the fight.
     
  10. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    Hard to see Lomachenko winning a rematch. He couldn't do anything truly significant for eight or nine rounds in the first fight and he's only going to get older. It's been three or four years since he's been the amazing boxer he was up until that point. He's still really good but he's not that guy anymore.
     
  11. Skins

    Skins Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not sure that people will buy a rematch. Not like this fight was filled with thrills. Any word on how many ppv's there were?
     
  12. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This

    They pay even the Ukrainian judge so well he scores it for Haney
     
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  13. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    The putrid scum bag Haney escaped like a thief in the night I doubt he will ever have the balls to get in there with Loma again. He will have nightmares about Lomachenko for the rest of his life.
     
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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    In a neutral country with a neutral ref and neutral judges with a 24 hour weigh as opposed to a 36 hour one to enable the biggest weight bully in the sport bar none to blow up to the size of a MW? I'm sure the Haney fans would've been fine with them bringing the weigh in 12 hours forward so Haney couldn't rehydrated properly or healthily and blow up his usual massive fight night weight instead of pushing it back 12 hours.

    Or how's about in a neutral country but with a Ukrainian ref and three Ukrainian judges and a 24 hour weigh in? I'm sure we can all agree that's more than fair.

    But Loma should just retire. He's 35 years old which is very old for a natural 126 pounder sized fighter, especially one who had such an extensive amateur career of over 400 fights and has been doing hard/grueling training for 31 years since he was a four years old, and if they rob him again every single one of these people will co-sign the robbery again, score it against him again as they do, and never give him his respect or like him no matter what he does.

    Let's not forget that Floyd was past his prime at 36, Roy was shot to bits at 35, Clenelo is past his prime at 32 according to these same fans who claim the much smaller Loma isn't old and they all used PEDs to help them bridge the gap to campaign at the higher weights against bigger men and prolong their careers.

    Allegedly in Floyd's case but obviously there's an absolute ton of red flags surrounding him in that regard, far far less than there are surrounding the fighters both he and his fans spent forever smearing as PED cheats. Weird that, eh?

    Don't forget that Andre Ward decided to hang up his gloves at like 32 y/o due to his because his body not being able to withstand the rigors of the sport, the years of wear and tear from training and preparation and he only had 120 amateur fights and didn't take up the sport until he was 9 y/o and obviously he's way bigger than Loma.

    And speaking of size, even when he campaigned up at LHW he was facing guys the same size as him not bigger or way way bigger. He had 12 more pro fights doe


    'I think what people gotta realize is that, you know they look at my age now of 32 and they don't realize how long I've been doing this since I was 9 years old. That's 22, 23 years.''

    --Andre Ward on his 22-23 year long pro career


    "People see what I do fight night, they see under the lights, but they don't see the toil, they don't see the grind, they don't see just the pain, the physical pain that you go through, not just in the fights, but to prepare and to get ready for those battles," he said.

    "I felt the physicality of the sport, not just in the ring stuff, but the training and the preparation, start to take its toll on me for the last two or three years and I bit down and continued to push through and at this point, it's time and I know it's time."


    “I want to be clear — I am leaving because my body can no longer put up with the rigors of the sport and therefore my desire to fight is no longer there,” Ward, 33, said in a statement on his website. “If I cannot give my family, my team, and the fans everything that I have, then I should no longer be fighting.”

    “I’ve been boxing for 23 years, and just the cumulative effect of all the training and all the fights, it just starts to wear on you, and it starts to take your desire,” Ward said

    ''It starts to take your desire''?

    So does getting robbed numerous times too, Dre. Especially at 35 y/o after an extremely extensive career both amateur and then pro doing hard/grueling training since you were 4 y/o



    Devin Haney 2023: ''Don't say Loma is old''

    Floyd 2023: ''If Loma is old then I'm old too''


    Devin Haney 2020: ''Loma is too old too slow''

    Tank 2019: ''Loma an old man. I'll retire him''

    Floyd 2019: ''Lomachenko needs to fight as many fights as possible, extremely quick!, because he's very very old''
     
  15. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    And I hope he does have nightmares but doubtful given the severely low voltage in that brain of his. But I hope that devin and his POS father stay real bitter about Loma having the vast majority vote :)
     
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