How do you view Oleksander Usyk's performance at heavyweight so far?

"The same old Chisora", so the same old Chisora who went 12 with all this fighters? Errrr OK.

The reason I mentioned Hearn, Haye and the rest is because all week they are selling Chisora as a monster, then when he gets beaten handily... then they say Usyk isn't good enough to challenge the top dogs.

And I have seen a lot of this, from many different people, the moment Usyk's hand was raised the smears and sneers began.

The "Usyk isn't big enough, Usyk doesn't punch hard enough" narrative has started and some people who should know better and they are either lying or hating.

Who suggested Usyk was going to spark Chisora? I don't know anybody who did.


Yeah Chisora was stopped in the rematch with Fury, still went the distance the first time, that's a fact.

Haye and Whyte sparked Chisora, yes, they did, and all those fighters I mentioned didn't.. that was my point, Chisora can and has been a real handful for some very good heavyweights.

Vitali couldn't knock him out, one of the biggest punchers (going by KO ratio) in heavyweight history.


Usyk is very talented, and in my opinion he is special, undefeated and he unified the CW division, won the WBSS and that was filled with talent and then cleaned up by beating Bellew.. how would you describe him? Average? That's special to me.


What's the most important thing in boxing? I'll tell you.. winning. I don't care if you believe he is a bit better than whoever, he is still winning, still WBO mandatory and has got himself in to a position to fight for the belt.

Usyk brings a different set of problems than most heavyweights, nobody said he was coming up and blasting everybody out.

Fury doesn't blast everybody out, Fury is technical, clever, a natural boxer, yes he is huge, yes his size helps him enormously but I think if Fury was a few inches smaller he would still be a excellent heavyweight so I believe Usyk can find ways to beat the big guys.

And it's going to be very interesting to see how he approaches it and how he gets on, the heavyweight division isn't stacked with talent, there is quite a drop after Fury and AJ in my opinion, it's quite average if you take a step back so let's stop talking Usyk down and trying to dismiss him and give Usyk his shot and let's see how he gets on.

 

So far pretty underwhelming.

 

Joshua is not much easier to land on than Chisora. What a terrible terrible take. Wtf haha.

 

He’s had only 2 fights so far.

 

Joshua doesn’t have Chisora’s upper body movement or experience, and he is a much bigger target. Joshua’s head doesn’t move and he also doesn’t protect his body well, so Usyk will definitely be looking to target the body first to wear down Joshua.

Joshua will have to be in top form and show up with a good gameplan to beat Usyk.

 

I honestly don't think many of you have seen Joshua fight. The statements made here to boost Usyk are almost as outlandish as some of the Wilder fanboys. Usyk's fight against Chisora held some positives and negatives.

My take, Usyk is a very good fighter who needs to acclimatise to the HW division. If he fights Joshua in the next year he will lose. However, If he takes the Holyfield path and has another 3-4 fights to get him ready, I think he has a decent chance against either Joshua or Fury.

The question is, how much confidence does his handlers have? Are they in it for the long-term or do they simply want to cash out. And if they want to cash out, the prize in the next 12 months is likely to be significantly smaller than it would be post-Covid.

 

AJ is a sizeable favourite in that fight for a reason. Usyk too small and too featherfisted to trouble AJ and Fury. Both beat him.

 

If we're being generous, yes, the same Chisora who lost 12 rounders to Kabayel, Pulev, old Vitali, etc.
And was sparked out by Haye and Whyte (2nd fight) .... and made to quit against Fury (2nd fight).
If we're being generous. But probably, realistically, at almost 37 years old and with all those miles on the clock, he's seen better days.

I can't remember many selling Chisora as a monster at all last week. Not in the threads I was in.
Most comment on Chisora was along the lines : how does such a mediocre gatekeeper level heavyweight get to be PPV main event again ?

I don't know anything about that. All I'm saying is that Usyk's win was okay, what you might expect from any decent heavyweight contender right now ..... but relative to Usyk's reputation, and the amount of people who think he can clean up the division, it was a underwhelming.
That's all.

Nor did I.
But, based on Usyk's reputation and Chisora's record , a lot of us expected a stoppage, after a complete domination.
I picked Usyk in 7, and expected it to be inside 10.

Yeah, and it's not a particularly relevant fact. You just mention it to bolster your defence of Usyk.
Fury-Chisora 1 was more than NINE YEARS AGO. The second fight is of more relevance, and even that was years ago.

I know.
He's a reliable, durable 'trial horse' for top 10 contenders. That's why he was acceptable for Usyk.
The simple point I'm making is that outpointing him 8-4 over 12 is the ordinary contender standard, whereas Usyk is being sold as an extraordinary contender.

I think you're overreacting to a bit of critcism towards Usyk, honestly.
I'm not saying Usyk has no hope to make an impact, or even clean up the division. It's all within the realm of possibility.

But I'm just offering an honest critical assessment of the Chisora performance. I think others are doing the same too.
Usyk has to show something more than that, if he's to convince people he's to be regarded as something special in the heavyweight division now.

The same rule applies to everyone. A lot of people pretty much wrote Fury off going into the 2nd Wilder fight because he looked bad against Wallin, despite what he'd done against Wilder in the 1st fight. I had serious doubts about Fury too. "You're only as good as your last fight" has a bit of truth to it.
Usyk looked okay against Chisora, for sure, but ..... it's only Chisora ..... AND there's not much else to assess Usyk's current abilities against current heavyweights on, so there we are. It was a clear, solid win but nothing jaw-dropping to convince me he's on the brink of beating one of the top 2.

 

If you beat washed up Del Boy by a round then you ain’t winning jack at heavy.

If usyk was in his 20s maybe but I would fancy Joyce to bludgeon him

P.s aware of their previous

 

Disappointing so far. He turns 34 very soon too so the clock is ticking.