How do you view the World Title scene?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by kg0208, Mar 13, 2008.


  1. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Are the ABC champions actual champions or just title holders? If there is a lineal champion in the division, who doesn't hold all the belts(IE, Pavlik or Calzaghe), how do you view the other fighters who hold ABC belts? What about the Ring champion....where does he fit?

    As a general rule, I view ABC champions as belt holders if there is a current Lineal champion in the division. There are exceptions, but this is the place I start at. If there is no Lineal champion, I view them all as champions until they sort things out. Your thoughts, so we can end all this debate?
     
  2. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    the best fighter in the division is the best fighter in the division. usually the best fighter will have some kind of ABC belt

    thats how i look at it

    for example floyd can have any of the main 3 and still be champ in my eyes
     
  3. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ok....so if Mayweather is the best in his division, and holds one ABC belt, what are the other 3 fighters who hold belts? That's my question. You called Mayweather champion....are the other 3 champions too? Or do you view them as belt holders only and Mayweather as the only champion...
     
  4. Cabannero

    Cabannero Active Member Full Member

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    Idea of lineality or RING belt is ****. Lineal or RING champ cannot be stripped for not facing the best. The champion should beat the best.
     
  5. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's a flaw....

    The ABC orgs can strip you for not fighting a mandatory who is an average fighter, because you wanted to face a better fighter. That is a flaw too...
     
  6. I_Neutral

    I_Neutral P4P Emeritus Full Member

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    If a fighter has an abc belt (prefferably wbc) AND has the ring belt, i consider him the champ of his division. Example: Israel vazquez and Pretty boy floyd.
     
  7. I_Neutral

    I_Neutral P4P Emeritus Full Member

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    ****....posted twice by mistake lol
     
  8. theunderdog

    theunderdog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    for me, a champ means you are the best. you don't share it with anyone else. champs are the universally regarded as the best in the division. like pbf at 147. all the other are just title holders.
     
  9. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    ABC's need more money.
     
  10. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Title should only matter when it's undisputed. Ring is just another alphabet title, like it or not.
     
  11. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    I take them division by division.

    It depends on the fighter more than the belt.
     
  12. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    My thoughts:
    • It doesn't matter one jot whether you are linear champ or not: just because you beat the linear champ, it doesn't mean that, at the time you beat him, he was the best man in the division. Maybe he was faded when you beat him and there were better and more danerous fighters out there at the time.
    • I doesn't matter one bit whether you are a belt holder, unless the fighters you beat to get the belt were, at the time you beat them, some of the best contenders in the division
    • Not all the four belt holders are equally good just because they all have a big-4 belt.
    • It doesn't matter at all whether you are "undisputed" Champion (i.e. if you have three of the four belts) if the guy who has the fourth belt is better than you
    • The Ring belt means nothing at all. The Ring magazine is biased and has shokingly bad p4p rankings. They are sometimes wrong about who the best fighter in the division is. No one ie perfect, especially not those who are clearly biased.
    Sometimes, good journeymen are better than contenders. Sometimes contenders are better than title holders. Sometimes title holders are better than multiple beltholders/undisputed champions. And sometimes they are not...it depends.

    :good
     
  13. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    And sometimes, they strip you for not fighting a mandatory because you want to fight a worse but more commercial/hyped-up/better known fighter a victory against whom you think will get you a shot at the very best. So...ABC's sometimes get it wrong even when they get it right...it's inevitable - the business of boxing is regulated such that this is inevitable.
     
  14. Totomabs

    Totomabs Sauna Belt Holder Full Member

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    that becomes subjective and will be disputed by all sides...endless debates..:think
     
  15. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's not subjective that Mayweather beat the Lineal champion though. And it's not subjective that he beat the last TWO Lineal title holders. Whether or not he is Lineal champion cannot be debated. What can be debated is what that title is WORTH.