According to the "lineal is Champ" theory, if Hopkins carried on beating overhyped small middleweights at 170/175 for a few couple of years, until he hit 50, a win over him would mean more than a win over an unbeaten Chad Dawson who had in the meantime reached his peak and was the best fighter in the world...Hopkins would be Champ but Dawson would be the best fighter in the world...:nut What is the point of calling someone "Champ" in those circumtances? Might as well always call them "lineal Champ".
Guess I'm the antithesis. I am a bit of a purist and traditionalist, and still think that a contender, to become Champion, must "beat the man who beat the man...". I think that all the ABC belts have no value. I also think that The Ring has the best rankings. They are clearly better than the WBA rankings, WBC, WBO, IBF, etc. They do a good job of creating rankings. Also, many times, the man that they have chosen as "Ring Champion" is also the Lineal Champ, but not always.
The ring magazine belt is the best belt in the business ... no you can't be stripped of it, but then again, there are no sanctioning fees, and the contenders are who the people believe are seriously the contenders. There is no dispute in the ring rankings. But hey who rerally ducks a fight that the people want? If the people demand it, more than likely it will happen because the people are the one paying for it. The buzz the people make brings the media and casual fans.
I agree with you. However, some people feel differently. Apparantly, some people feel a guy like Roy Jones can be the no.1 p4p fighter, unify the WBC/WBA/IBF titles, and hold the ring belt and still not be a champion.
The Ring might often pick the best man in the division, but further down, their rankings are shocking!:-( There are at least 50 posters on ESB who can make better rankings than The Ring.
I view the ABC titles as an efficient tool to determine who the top contenders are. The undisputed/lineal champ is the real champ imo
:good In actuality, they way you're proposing is a lot easier to follow than other proposed methods I've seen over the last couple of days.
And apparently some people want to call every fighter to hold a belt champion despite them only gaining said belts because the fighter who unified them was unfairly stripped of them, or dropped them to fight better fighters. What is the point of unifying the belts to gain recognition as "Champion" if someone else can come along and work half as hard and gain the same recognition by winning a vacated belt?
One. But I take accomplishments into account heavily when rating fighters as well as resume. A LW who fought HW's and beat champions on the way is a better fighter to me than Jones. He proved more in the Ring IMO. I have Langford in my top 15 based on resume and accomplishments. I have Jones in the low to mid 20's. What makes Jones better than him to you?
Yup, really easy to follow. And in 10 years, we'll have 5 champions per division instead of 4. Just like we used to have 3 not 10 years ago. Lets just keep adding more titles, that will clear up the boxing scene.