How does a fighter who doesn't land win a fight?

Watch it again, selfkill. You're overstating a bit. Haye didn't really land consecutively with more than a single blow at a time cleanly until the 12th. Valuev landed far less frequently (mainly because Haye ran like a ***** for most of the fight - that was not "boxing and moving") but he actually threw the heavier power shots (his jab for the most part was ineffective). Valuev should have gone balls out, he doesn't deserve too much sympathy with the lackadaisical way he fought; but neither does Haye deserve too much credit as this was almost as negative a performance as Dirrell's (maybe moreso, barring the 12th and literally one or two moments earlier) and he is officially the weakest h2h WBA titlist of all time.

Braddock KO3 Haye.

 

I agree 100%

**** Valuev and his momma.

 

fail

 

Dont worry,there are too many ******s who dont know that booxing is about hitting and not getting hit.They score for just walking forward in their words 'taking a fight to your opponent' even if you are missing.

Valuev was beaten square,******s should shut up and accept it.He could even have been knocked out

 

I'd think Valuev is somewhat weaker since he lost the fight tonight and probably a few others in his career.

People should judge Haye after his next fight. Valuev does not really make for a fair sample when judging a fighter because its an unusual circumstance to face a guy a foot taller and 100lbs heavier.

 

Right. What is it about Valuev that every decision is some sort of deep rooted controversy. I remember when he lost to Ruslan, there were posts on ESB about how Valuev had gotten robbed.

 

Is there a rematch clause? What would happen now that Haye knows he can seriously hurt him?.

Oh right Ruiz is next.

I agree with Arriba and TFFP in that this was a fight against a very unusual opponent. And it's not exactly a good measuring stick.

 

It's not that he's exceptionally skilled, it's that due to the laws of physics you can't really land very cleanly on him unless you yourself are exceptionally skilled. Haye is not...and he did not land very cleanly (when he even landed at all) until round #12.

 

I think the problem is Haye's mouth ran into overdrive and he couldn't really back that up. I don't even believe he ever intended to, probably just trying to rile Valuev which didn't happen anyway. So people are judging him against that rather than reasonable standards whereby everybody has struggled to look good against Valuev, nevermind the enormous physical disparity.

If you just look at this fight as Fighter A and B and forget the personalities you have to say the guy fought a very good tactical fight in his second fight at heavyweight facing such an opponent. He eeked it out and now I'm expecting better things from him.

 

Valuev landed more shots than he's being given credit for. He forced the fight and was more active. Haye ran around for most of the fight sticking punches at him. Sorry, you don't win fights that way, or at least you shouldn't.

The sad part about it was is that - as Haye showed in the 12th - if he sat down on his punches, actually FOUGHT, he could have hurt Valuev. His whole approach to this fight was PATHETIC.

 

you have no cred with your charlie z antics, your opinion is 'PATHETIC'

 

I don't think Valuev landed anything sweetly. The best indicator is the fact David Haye was never hurt in the fight!

 

There was a clear replay of Haye landing clean as a sheet on Valuev in round 2 of all things.

It's impossible to land a "big clean" punch on Valuev...but if you land? Yeah, that's points. Haye landed more than enough times on Valuev and even though he aped the Holyfield gameplan, He did enough to win a snoozer.

I'm sure Valuev will get his receipt soon enough, this IS the WBA afterall. I'm just happy that we can look forward to an exciting HW fight soon.

 

I think we gotta wait to see if there is confirmation of a hand injury too. I know he's a big mouth...but it could just be true, Valuev has a huge boney head.

That has a massive impact on things. He's saying he wanted to throw more but couldn't because it was so painful, he said even blocking was painful. He said he let it go in the last round because he knew it was nearly over.

If that turns out to be true everybody knows the overhand right is Haye's 'Hayemaker', thats his trademark punch so if he doesn't have it, its a massive part of his armoury gone. I was wondering why he threw mostly left hooks.