How does a slender heavy like Wilder compare to other heavyweights that have had freakish power?

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Foreman`s arms were a big as a super heavyweights though and I`m talking about when he came back in the 80`s-90`s when his arms were huge.
     
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  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Shavers hit harder than Tyson, the right hand he dropped Holmes with had far more effect than the right hand Tyson first dropped Holmes with.
     
  3. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    No he didn't and no it didn't.
     
  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Why was Holmes in such a bad state when Shavers hit him? He was out cod like Fury v Wilder, against Tyson he was hurt but he didn`t go limp when he was hit like he did v Shavers, he loked like someone shot him.
     
  5. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've seen body builders in the foundry literally running off down the road by the first break,big strong looking guys but useless.
     
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  6. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    And its noticeable as he did finally step up that Ortiz took a fair few of his shots and if he was a younger man in better health may have won that fight.
     
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  7. Antigoon

    Antigoon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A couple of years ago, I convinced a friend of mine 20 years younger than me, to not do the typical gym thing of bulking up the show muscles with bench presses, flys and other nonsense, but instead put him on a regime of dips, pull-ups, squats and deadlifts. After a year he was not noticeably bigger, but boy...did he put the usual gymgoers to shame in the strength department. The typical bulked up muscleheads..exuding physical power with the huge pecs and shoulders were all flabbergasted at how he was doing his regular sets of pullups with two 15kg plates on his belt at a bodyweight of 75kg, while they struggled to do even a few at their own bulked up super hero bodyweight. Lots of people do not understand the difference between functional strenght, which is what one wants, and the strength feats of the typical bench and leg press bodybuilding types.

    Anyways, he was and still is like an exact copy of Tommy Hearns in bodytype, thin and lanky, but a beast when it comes to power. So it doesn't surprise me one bit that a dude like Wilder possesses some serious power compared to the more bulked up heavies of the modern day
     
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  8. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    He wasn't. He got up at the count of four and went on to win the fight.

    What happened in the Tyson fight?
     
  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I meant when he dropped he was out cold, he wassn`t out like that v Tyson, Mike finished Larry because he was far better at landing shots than Shavers, Shavers had power but he was slow and predictable, he should have finished Larry after that shot just as Wilder should have finished Fury, Mike was a better finisher than Wilder too, it`s not always about power, you have to land the shots also.
     
  10. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    If he was out cold he wouldn't have got up at the count of four.

    Review the footage and think for yourself.
     
  11. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'll never forget seeing Frampton get dropped twice off this super skinny,lanky Mexican guy who is now sadly deceased.
     
  12. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    i have been arguing this whole working theory by different methods in different threads. everything i know about everything tells me thats pretty much how it works.
     
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  13. HerolGee

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    no real difference apart from freakish power. not having it, yeah.
     
  14. Boxcel

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    There is absolutely a scientific reason why Wilder has so much power in the straight right. Saying it's just God given is a cope.

    His general non elite fundamentals and windmills is not how he boxes for the majority of the fight.

    His straight rights are thrown with perfect technique. He torques his entire body much more than most boxers with the straight right. He has the kinetic chain down. In addition, he is explosive and has snap. This snap is amplified by his length. This combination of kinetic chain acceleration and body weight incorporation at his weight is what leads to massive power generation.

    Next comes actually transferring the force. It's easier to transfer force with the straight right due to the mechanics, but Wilder is also strong as hell for his weight. Like how he ragdolled the referee who clung onto him with no issue. Wilder attempts to punch through you to transfer all the force he generated. It doesn't take much force to move the head. Notice when he lands he isn't thrown off balance and his momentum barely changes while the opponents head snaps back.

    It's not a coincidence his wider right hands seem to have less power.

    His length also allows him to land at comfortable ranges without sacrificing his form. His opponents don't expect it to land.

    Lighter dudes can generate tons of force if they have the snap and acceleration, but transferring the force is more difficult when lighter. Force transfer ability goes up the heavier you get but you lose acceleration of the body which is why 250+ lbers don't necessarily have devastating power.
     
  15. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    First thing is he's extremely lean so with the bodyfat of a lot of heavies he'd weigh over 220, maybe even into the 230s. In other words he probably has the functional mass of a lot of heavies anyway. He's not as small as he seems, like Steve Cunningham actually.

    Next he has a large frame/limbs so that probably helps.

    Next he basically he uses a homerun swing all the time when others might not, something he will pay for one day when he runs into some big counters. He seems to train for the KO instead of training to box and 'if the KO comes it comes'. This would help too.