How does an all time great HW list look....

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  1. ThePlugInBabies

    ThePlugInBabies ♪ ♫ Full Member

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    in 1937 just before joe louis challenged for the title?
     
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  2. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, the order isn't sorted out, but this is who I'd have on a list pre-1937

    Jack Dempsey
    Jack Johnson
    Sam Langford
    James Jeffries
    James Corbett
    Joe Louis (Still early in his career, but he’d already established himself as an all time great heavyweight)
    Gene Tunney
    Max Schmeling
    John Sullivan
    Peter Jackson
     
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  3. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If someone white was trying not to be colour blind in 1937, I reckon the list may go like this:

    1: Johnson
    2: Jeffries
    3: Sullivan
    4: Dempsey
    5: Tunney
    6: Corbett
    7: Jackson
    8: Fitzsimmons
    9: Wills
    10: Baer
    11: Langford
    12: Schmeling
    13: Burns
    14: Louis
    15: Braddock
     
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  4. markedwardscott

    markedwardscott Active Member Full Member

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    I agree on Johnson and Dempsey on top. I think Corbett is over-rated since he only had 20 or so fights. His two big wins were against Sullivan and Peter Jackson when they were past their primes. Also, I think he hurt his "gentleman" status with all of his racist remarks at the Johnson Jeffries fight.
     
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  5. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well Corbett was all about winning. Corbett did have a temper, He was trying to un egde Johnson vs Jeff. It didnt work of couse. Corbett was the guy that would hit below the belt to get the edge in a fight.

    Johnson Jeff is a perfect view in that, but in his OWN fights, Look at his comments in regards to Fitz and Mitchell.

    Johnson gets more comments in this regard TODAY because he was black of couse.
     
    Dempsey1238, Feb 3, 2008
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  6. Sizzle

    Sizzle Active Member Full Member

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    Johnson
    Dempsey
    Jeffries
    Tunney
    Corbett
    Jackson
    Schmeling
    Langford
    Sullivan
    Fitzsimmons

    Honourable mentions,
    Loughran, Sharkey, Wills, Baer, Burns

    Louis doesn't even factor yet.
     
    Sizzle, Feb 4, 2008
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  7. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Huh?
     
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  8. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    Johnson would be #1, at that point. Jeffries and Dempsey following up behind.
     
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  9. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    1. Jeffries
    2. Dempsey
    3. Johnson
    4. Tunney
    5. Langford
    6. Corbett
    7. Fitz
    8. Jackson
    9. Wills
    10. Schmeling.

    I prefer not to rate Sullivan as a Queensberry gloved fighter since he was at his best under a different rule set.
     
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  10. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Although some of his fights were under mixed rule set (partly London Prize Ring, partly Queensberry), but he was mostly a Queensberry fighter.
     
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  11. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    With Sullivan, I beleive his most significant fights were not Queensberry rules with gloves. Sullvian biggest wins in my opinion were over Ryan, and Kilirain. Both were bare-knuckle fights.

    His famous 39 round draw with Mitchell was a London Rules, bare-knuckle affair too.

    By the time Sullivan went full Queensberry, he was already past his best. This is why I perfer not to rank him with fighters who trained and only used the queesberry rules.
     
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  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I guess mine would look like this:

    1 - Johnson
    2 - Jeffries
    3 - Dempsey
    4 - Wills
    5 - Jackson
    6 - Corbett
    7 - Baer
    8 - Fitzimmons
    9 - Schmeling
    0 - Tunney

    But I don't really like it.
     
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  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I'm pretty astounded that Wills wouldn't make a list like this - especialy given that you include Langford (and as such are not heavily weighing your ratings towards champs).
     
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  14. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Langford did more at heavyweght then Fitzimmons and beat better fighters so he should rank higher
     
    dmt, Feb 4, 2008
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  15. Sonny's jab

    Sonny's jab Guest

    No Langford ?
     
    Sonny's jab, Feb 4, 2008
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