How does it feel to be Cotto i.e being cheated all the time?

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  1. Blue_Ray

    Blue_Ray Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pac's sparring partner, Shawn Porter, who is a junior middleweight, packs more wallop than Cotto. Pac therefore is more prepared for this fight for big guys like Miguel.

    Cotto should fire his trainer and the fat guy who jinxed him.
     
  2. vegasdude

    vegasdude Speed is Power! Full Member

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    More like Horsesh!t. :lol:
     
  3. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    The Pac loss is legit.

    Pac is legit

    Pac is a monster... a great lil monster.
     
  4. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I agree.
     
  5. bronx

    bronx Boxing Junkie banned

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    bs thread

    see me with some proof and then we will talk
     
  6. r2d2

    r2d2 HATERS GONNA HATE! Full Member

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    killing yourself will make mother nature happy.
     
  7. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Whats with boxing `fans` continually trying to discredit the best fighters in the world ? :huh

    Lets be happy we are actually watching brilliant fighters like Pacquiao & Mayweather in the flesh & enjoy their wonderful skills rather than try find faults... we are on the verge of a historic bout between 2 greats & you ****ers better not attempt to ruin it for me with your negativity... take that **** to the tennis forums :-(
     
  8. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    If Pacman can beat Mayweather, he cracks my top 10 of all time... plain & simple !
     
  9. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Steriods don't give you a chin, and they don't make you a better fighter...
     
  10. kirk

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    If the shane that margarito fought showed up? what... you mean the shane that throws a huge powerful right overhand right and... it actually LANDS? people need to check the fight again, once he starts getting fustrated, shane TRIES to throw haymakers against cotto, but hes actually facing a fighter who doesnt just walk into punches, and then lets him tee off on him. Hes not facing a fighter that he outspeeds by miles. So no, its not a case of 'what shane' shows up, although im sure that would be convieniant for some to say.... its a pretty lame excuse and great way to try and not to give cotto credit. So he looks great before cotto (collazo) and after cotto (margarito), just not... AGAINST cotto, and its because of shane, not because cotto at that point in time not only fought with a great jab, but could very well dig to the body, box backing up, showed the best right hand out of any fight hes had, switch pretty fast between offence and defence effectively, and had great understanding of timing and distance? Shane made all the usual shane mistakes in that fight, and they are no different from before cotto, or after cotto, he was just fighting a fighter complete enough to make them show.

    The margarito fight was a complete white wash until cotto started slowing down, and everyone who knew boxing and cotto knew that that fight was going to be tough for miguel, he started slowing down and margarito is the wrong opponent to be able to do that against, and with that.... margarito proceeded to pound cotto into oblivion. (if only THAT margarito had shown up against mosley! nah im kidding) **** happens... he lost.

    If anyone thinks that Cotto is the same after Margarito as he was before Margarito, without having any agenda or bias.... then in my eyes the person just isnt seeing reality. The guy has been in his fair share of grueling fights (clottey, margarito, mosley, torres) plus a heavy amature career.... he used to have a form to himself when fighting, Cotto gained a lot of his power from the WAY he threw punches, when throwing his power punches he often threw as if hitting a home run, usually with full torso, back, ass and legs into it, and would do this throughout the fight until he would break his opponents down.

    Like i have been saying for awhile now, i havnt seen cotto throw the same kind of hooks since the beginning of the mosley fight, or gomez fight, and what he throws now are essentially powerful arm punches. (his hooks im talking about)

    so its not that his power deminished so to speak, the way he threw his punches did, and thats what imo has diminished. He is still a very solid puncher, but he doesnt imo have that break you down power because hes not 'hitting that homerun' so to speak. Hes much more stiff.

    His jab is as good as ever and his right hand id say is as good as it usually is thought not used enough as it was in the mosley fight.

    but cotto is not the same fighter that peaked in the quintana, judah and mosley fights.... for you to not think that was an elite welterweight fighter, is in my opinion not giving cotto his just due, and holding the fact that hes not the same after the margarito loss (how many fighters ever recieve that kind of beating and remain in top form? not many) against him as saying he was never elite?

    You ask what elite fighters has he beaten, Mosley is about as near elite as you can get at welter, if you throw him out.... then he doesnt have any, but he has very solid wins over good welterweights, which is what an elite fighter does when facing other top guys. Quintana is 1-1 with Paul Williams.... Clottey was a close fight, but Cotto showed hes on a certain level by being able to win that fight with one eye. Ricardo Torres can be a good fighter, and Zab Judah doesnt just lose to everybody eather.

    Bottom line is, Cotto WAS an elite fighter.... and is still a very good, top welterweight. To hold the Pac loss against him and try to re-write his career trying to say, well... 'shane just didnt show up for that fight' and completely ignoring that hes not at his best anymore is pretty lame IMO.
    Yes i would venture to say that Cotto wasnt as complete a fighter as i thought before his losses, but not because of lack of skills or punch, but due to lack of stamina and using the wrong fightplan. Now, his punches dont have what they used to have on it, and he abandones the skills he has often.

    But Cotto was elite, and you only have to watch the quintana and mosley fights to see that. Every fighter can be picked apart to the point where you can question their elite status, i bet i could do it to any fighter out there.

    Also, before someone jumps on my post about me thinking cotto is not the same, so therefor not giving pac credit for beating him. This is not the case at all.... i give pac TONS of credit for beating him. Cotto those first 5 rounds looked pretty damn good, better then he did against Clottey, and Pac is just as much a reason for him falling apart as anything else. I think Cotto was having success, then would try do overdue it when he didnt have to, and Pac capatilised on that.... and Cotto wasnt good enough i guess to switch up and just stick to boxing, and by the time he did, he went into run mode and was already broken. Pac gets 100% credit from me.... but that doesnt mean my honest opinion isnt that todays Cotto isnt the same as he was in 2007. So what though, in my opinion your worth as a fighter also comes from how you fight past your best. Every fighter usually has a small window of them at their best, and goes on to eather sink or flourish bassed on other things then being in top form (improved technique, getting smarter, some get more aggresive as ability wanes -byrd-jmm) that ecompasses being a great fighter.

    But Cotto is a very good fighter, and was nearing elite if he wasnt already. To say because of this loss, or when he loses down the line if it should happen (which i think will should he continue on) and say well he wasnt what he was hyped to be is a bit of a lame excuse to discredit a fighter whos seen his better days. in my opinion at least