How does Jack Johnson vs the best 160 or 168'er go?

Off the top of my head I do think Tunney beats Johnson.

 

I can't see any of these dudes having much of a chance against Johnson...........

I can picture Gene Tunney jabbing and circling, but also not scoring all that much....... Johnson too good at defense / parrying punches........

Same goes for prime-time Royal Jones, too.... Jones lands one or two punches at a time, but misses punches three and four....... Johnson much stronger than Jones, pushes Jones all around, when Jones ain't running his ass off from Johnson.........

Jack Johnson is pretty goddamn solid.......... :bbb:deal

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how bout Johnson verus Holyfield or Spinks

 

I see him slaughtering most of them. He was one of the strongest heavyweights ever and overpowered the likes of Jim Jeffries. He loved to work inside and really, what would anyone of them do if he wanted to get on the inside against them and manhandle them?

 

i really dont think that Monzon or Hagler would stand a shot given that they never stepped out of their weight. With Greb its impossible to tell due to no film available

 

Langford weighed 156 to Johnsons 185.
It might be more interestring to ponder how that Langford ,who had engaged in 56 fights would have done against the men you mention?

 

Langford was not only light, and fighting a heavyweight, he was also much shorter. It is still debatable if Langford knocked Johnson down, as Ketchel did. I would also throw Choynski's name into the mix, who KO'd Johnson. On the surface it appears that the hard punching middles to supper middles could score a Kd or even a Knock out. But none of the names you listed were really big punchers. They were mostly very good boxers.

A key fight to look at is the O'Brien fight. O'Brien was a skilled boxer mover, and could out fight. Fight reports indicate that O'Brien who was likely past his best in 1909 was the better in a six round affair.

It is fair to say that Jack Johnson was 1-1-1 vs Choynski, Ketchel and O'Brien. Losing to a supper middle and getting out boxed one should be viewed objectively, and pretty much DQ Johnson from rating anywhere in the top ten in a head to head sense at heavyweight, but that is another thread.

The topic of the thread is how would Tunney, Jones, Clazaghe, Greb, Monzon, and Walker do vs Johnson.

I think Tunney would out point Johnson. Clazaghe and Roy Jones would also have a good chance.

I think Monzon, Kessler, Walker were not fast or strong enough, and its tough to give up speed, size, and strength. I think Johnson would defeat them, though I would esxpect Monzon to have his share of positive moments in the fight.

Robinson and Greb were very fast, but they were too small, and would lack power at heavyweight.

 

I hear dat, dude...........:yep

However, with Harold Greb, I have read a lot and looked over his pro record..... That guy was active and he liked to fight.... Plus, for a middleweight, he had huge biceps for the 1920s.......

Though Greb was wild and crazy who was also vunerable to counter shots, due to a poor attitude of defense.... This is what I have read and studied on "Grebbermeister." ALSO! Greb was not a wicked puncher..... Lotsa' fights went the distance.....

I gotta' assume Jack Johnson hammers Greb to the floor inside of 15 rds........

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Mickey Walker gave a good account of himself against top heavyweights and may have given Johnson a good fight, but not beat him.

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My reason is two fold.

Greb was about 5'9", which is short. But it is not only height here. I think Greb is at a style disadvantage here as well.

Greb's style was to in-fight a lot. Johnson was a very good clincher vs supper middle weight types, and had a nice uppercut.

When you tally it all up, Greb is at a disadvantage in style, size, and strength here.

I think the super middle weight types that could be Johnson were the speedy boxers who preferred to jab, move and out fight, or the bigger puncher types. Greb really does not fit either mold. I think Greb would have to out work Johnson, which is possible, but again based on Greb's style Johnson might put the clamps on him.

 

Mendoza you feeling ok your picking Johnson to win a fight