How does JOE FRAZIER do in today's heavyweight division?

A little more on the Wlad matchup (since I love talking about matchups Wlad would lose in so much )...

Wlad doesn't fight well when he's being attackedm in fights like Brewster/Peter, when he was fighting back he looked uncomfortable. Brewster/Peter lack Frazier's accuracy/punching power and there's no doubt in my mind that Wlad would fight him tentatively. You don't need an iron chin to beat Wlad, you just need good defense and a good enough chin to take a few big right hands every once in a while. People forget that Wlad doesn't really throw power punches all that often. He worries about gassing out and he worries about being countered, so he only throws power punches when there's little risk and he's confident they will land. Brock has always had a shaky chin and would have gotten knocked out early if Klitschko went for the KO earlier, but he didn't. Why? Because Wlad doesn't adjust very quickly and isn't comfortable with going for the knockout until he sees that it's safe to do so.

You can't really compare anything about Frazier-Foreman to Frazier-Wlad. Foreman's power is much greater and he wasn't afraid to punch back right as Frazier was throwing his biggest shots. Frazier didn't have an iron chin and it wouldn't surprise me if Wlad knocked him down at some point of the fight, but Wlad wouldn't be able to finish him and the fight wouldn't go to the cards so it wouldn't matter much anyways.

Povetkin's style is sort of a boxer-swarmer and I think in round two of Frazier-Povetkin, Povetkin would be 50% boxer/50% warmer, but by round six he would be 80% boxer/20% swarmer. It would be a very uncomfortable, confusing fight for Povetkin. In the start he would come out and try to do his normal circling from the outside, then jabbing his way in and swarming routine, but Frazier wouldn't back up and would fire his own combinations right as Povetkin would try to return to fighting on the outside. As Frazier would land more and more punches, Povetkin would become more tentative and try to box him, but fail. He would wait for Frazier to attack him and after he stopped punching he would try to swarm him, but Povetkin would have a hard time landing a lot of punches on him because Frazier's bobbing/weaving and leaning in on the inside would frustrate him. After failing to box him, I think Povetkin's war mentality would kick in during the middle-late rounds and he would try to go toe to toe with him, but get outlanded and severely busted up. He would attempt to box him again after getting hit with something big (most likely a left hook as he pulls out), but would go back to going to war with him soon after that. I believe that Povetkin isn't the type of fighter that would start boxing extremely tentatively against a pressure fighter if he sees he would lose by decision, he would rather fight toe to toe, trying to win by KO and risk getting stopped himself. A Frazier TKO sometime after the 8th round would probably happen, maybe earlier depending on how bad Povetkin gets cut/bruised up (I would imagine he would get bruised up insanely, his skin is some of the worst in top-level boxing :-() and how good his chin really is.

I think Povetkin beats any HW out there today, but the 70's is a whole different story. The only great 70's HW that would lose to a fighter today is Ali to Klitschko, but even that is no sure thing.

 

Frazier's intensity and stamina to go 15 rounds at a fast pace would be too much for any of today's heavyweights.

 

yes. entirely possible but can his chin take wlad's straight hand and left hook? Can his face hold up against wlad's jab? if it can, frazier is the likely winner.

aside from foreman, who is the next best puncher frazier faced?

 

Frazier won't win a single fight with those guys:yep

 

Wlad doesn't fight well when he's being attackedm in fights like Brewster/Peter, when he was fighting back he looked uncomfortable.

see Peter-Wlad rounds 11 and 12. peter was attacking and wlad was beating the **** out of him after being down in the previous round. also, both peter and brewster attacked wlad very early in both fights and wlad used his foot movement and jab to avoid any damage. he was hammering both with power shots too.

this was even more evident in the brewster rematch.

now, i will conceed contstant pressure can unravel him but it doesnt mean he will lose. he can recover and re-establish his jab.

frazier would have major trouble finding the range early and he was no defensive wiz. he will take big punches. can he survive them and make Waldo reappear?

 

As usual, I agree with you:good

 

a prime smokin' joe frazier cleans out the division

 

I believe his easiest two of that bunch are Haye and Peter.

Wlad is a 50-50. It has nothing to do with Joe. He always fought the same way. It depends on how Wlad comes to fight.


BTW, how do you think Joe would fare against Wlads bigger, badder brother? Use Vitali's last outing as a measure.

 

I think the consensus is that Joe Frazier had the left-hook, head-movement, and overall endurance to knockout the majority of today's heavyweights.

Obviously the two best Heavyweights of today, Klitschko and Peter, have superior height and reach. They would give Joe a hell of a time, and I'd say those fights would be the most difficult (today's Klitschko would have little chance IMO because he has apparently forgotten HOW to throw a right hand).

 

a prime joe fraizer cleans out the canvass against today's heavyweights:yep

 

As usual, you don't have an opinion:yep

 

Seeing those clips, I would have to see Joe Frazier is a lot greater fighter than most give him credit for. There was method to his work, bobbing and weaving and staying as low as possible. Great fighter.

He'd clear out the division today fairly easily. I see him making short work of Wladimir, who would have an awkward time hitting such a low target as a weaving Frazier. Also, Wladimir would most certainly get hit often as Frazier had no problem landing on Ali. Wladimir's chin would not stand up to well to those monsterous uppercuts and winging left hooks.

Frazier 8KO

 

all of them

 

He's at worst the #2 HW in this sorry division. A lot of him against Wlad would depend on if he has any sort of answer for Wlad's polarizing jab. I could see the fight being stopped because of it.

He beats the rest though and pretty easy... who has the chin to stand up to his power, the stamina to keep up with him for 12 rounds or the ability to keep him off them long enough to land anything damaging?

I'd say MAYBE Valuev...but watching the smaller busier Ruslan Chagaev get inside on him and land cleanly tells me that's a pipe dream.

 

same as that...i think he could beat the lot of em...there's no prime foreman on that list for me..