How Does Joe Joyce win a rematch

Take it deep, avoid damage then take over

 

He doesn't. He got beat up in the first half of the first round. Didn't know how to adjust/how to fight a southpaw.

If he wants another loss straight up he should take the rematch. He's not beating Zhang anytime soon.

 

That's a tough one. His problem has always been that he's so big and slow that he finds it hard to avoid the counter after throwing his own shots. But the answer lies in another fighter who he often is compared to and that's Foreman. Foreman too could never adopt a typical throw then slip or block style because he was too big and slow and so learned to use his size to manhandled opponents, to prevent the counter coming. This has always been an aspect of Joyce's arsenal that has been missing and one that's been key for every dominant super heavyweight champion, from the proto super heavy in Foreman to Lewis, to Wlad, to Fury.

Problem Joyce has is that Zhang is just as big as him, so manhandling Zhang isn't going to be easy and he isn't going to be able to learn the dark arts that Foreman used in a few months before the rematch. But he could learn to clinch after he misses, if he does that early on in the fight he could perhaps reduce the damage he takes early on so that he could take the fight later and maybe win the fight in the 2nd half.

 

When they traded, Joyce came out far the worse. He didn't appear to be able to manhandle Zhang. I think his only option would be to flat out run for six rounds while throwing next to nothing. Then if Zhang gases, open up.

 

I’d take the rematch. The first was going to go one of two way. Zhang early or Joyce late. If they fought again that would still be the case. Honestly, everyone is jumping off the bandwagon. I wouldn’t jump off so quick though. I expected Joyce to win late. The early part of the fight honestly went the way I would have expected. Joyce getting rocked by quick combinations but continuing to keep the pressure on. Too bad for Joyce that a) Howard foster was the ref and b) his eye swelled shut.

That’s not making excuses. Joyce was too eager to put the pressure on early and also his team made a mistake coming in 20lb lighter then normal against a guy they new they were going to have to absorb punishment against. They have themselves to blame for this loss. They will learn things though and improve.

I would be less confident next time in picking Joyce then I was this time but I honestly wouldn’t change my pick in a rematch.

 

Ain't gonna be no rematch. He don't want one.

 

He is simply not that good.

 

Starting to train on some head movement, but at his age I don't think he can do that in 4 months.

 

It never seemed to me it was going "Joyce late". Zhang wasn't even a bit effected by Joyce's relatively pitty pat jabs.

 

I'm not saying trade, trading is the very thing clinching would prevent. Joyce right now throws then eats a counter, he needs to throw then clinch to prevent the counter if he's in a bad position.

But yes he didn't manhandle Zhang simply because he doesn't know how too. He doesn't know how to tie up an opponent, doesn't know how to position himself and use his head, shoulders to control an opponent inside. Much like how it's a big aspect missing in Joshua's make up as a fighter, it's also a big hole in Joyce's. This is where Fury not staying amateur and turning pro benefited him, he learned to fight like a pro by fighting pros and wasn't fighting countless amateur fights where you can't clinch at all.

 

On his back. He simply couldn't take Zhangs power, his only chance was Zhang gassing

 

Another problem he has here is that his main weapon is the jab, and it is tough to jab against southpaws.

 

Yeah that was apparent very early on in the fight. I think Joyce stood far more in front of Zhang that I expected because he was trying to find and angle to land his jab, which he was able too but it put in him the firing line for the left hand of Zhang.