How does Joshua hope to win rounds against Usyk, if he struggled against Povetkin?

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  1. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Active Member Full Member

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    A far inferior boxer than Oleksandr Usyk in Alexander Povetkin, was able to win multiple rounds against Anthony Joshua at his absolute worst, whilst he was shot at age 39. Even the best version of Alexander Povetkin is still SIGNIFICANTLY inferior than Oleksandr Usyk in terms of boxing skills. Yet, it wasn't even the best version, but the worst version of this Povetkin who not only won multiple rounds against the current number 1 heavyweight that is Anthony Joshua, but was also arguably ahead on the scorecards before the stoppage.

    Seeing how much difficulties Anthony Joshua had at even winning rounds comfortably and dominantly against the worst version of Alexander Povetkin, how does he hope to even win a single round against Oleksandr Usyk, without scoring knockdowns or without getting a KO?

    The only way I can see Joshua even winning rounds is via knockdowns. And the only way I can envisage Joshua winning against Usyk is either by decision, based on multiple knockdowns, or via stoppage.

    But let's keep things in perspective. Joshua only stopped Povetkin because he was a shot, 39 year old fighter without any stamina left to fight at a high intensity for 12 rounds at the elite level. And he also had decreased durability at age 39 from the accumulation of all the damage he took throughout his 2 decade of doing boxing / kickboxing (amateur and pro). And Joshua exploited that flaw of Povetkin by taking him out after Povetkin gassed.

    Now Usyk isn't comparable to Povetkin in terms of Joshua's chances at stopping Usyk. Since for 1, he isn't 39 years old like Povetkin was. And 2, his durability and stamina aren't shot as Povetkin's were at age 39. In terms of stamina and durability, Usyk is closer to Joseph Parker than he is to Alexander Povetkin. And we all saw how multiple of Joshua's maximum powered flush punches had virtually no affects on Parker. And Parker didn't have stamina problems as Povetkin did because he wasn't a shot 39 year old fighter , but was rather in his physical prime. Due to that, Joshua couldn't stop Parker, because there wasn't any stamina exploitable weakness.

    Usyk is arguably even more durable and has FAR better stamina than Parker. Usyk has faced multiple power punchers, even back to back, in the pros and amateurs, and is still yet to even be stopped once. I also don't ever remember Usyk getting dropped from a head shot. So Usyk's chin is FAR MORE PROVEN and TESTED than Parker's.

    And Usyk fights at a FAR HIGHER intensity and has a FAR HIGHER punch output / volume than Parker. Meaning, his stamina is FAR MORE PROVEN.

    Ergo, if Joshua couldn't even drop, never mind stop Parker, then his chances of doing the same to Usyk would be even lower.

    And those of you making the argument about Povetkin's power being a factor in his ability to win rounds against Joshua because Joshua was forced to respect Povetkin's power. Let's get one thing straight! If we compare Usyk's last 4 fights to Povetkin's last 4 fights, then we'll know objectively, that Povetkin's power was no more proven to be better than Usyk's power.

    Povetkin failed to even get a single knockdown in 24 rounds in 2 back to back fights against 2 journeymen in Andriy Rudenko and Christian Hammer. Let's not forget that Hammer has already been stopped my Tyson Fury and Mariusz Wach. Proving he has a weak chin. Yet, Povetkin still struggled to even hurt Hammer with his punches. Also, Povetkin stopping David Price doesn't prove much either. Since Price has a known glass chin / jaw, and was stopped by journeyman Erken Tepper in his past fight in far more brutal fashion and in far quicker time. Even Usyk would've arguably brutalized Price too.

    Now Usyk on the other hand, faced 4 superior opponents. He faced Michael Hunter, Marco Huck, Mairis Breidis and Murat Gassiev.

    Usyk dropped Michael Hunter and should've arguably won by stoppage. He's better than both Hammer and Rudenko that Povetkin failed to even drop.

    Usyk stopped Marco Huck in a lopsided fight, who is also better than Hammer and Rudenko. The same Huck who gave Povetkin life and death experiences.

    Oleksandr Usyk couldn't stop Mairis Breidis and Murat Gassiev. But both guys are known to be EXTREMELY durable. Plus, they also hit harder and are more skilled than the 2 guys Povetkin couldn't even drop in Christian Hammer and Andriy Rudenko. So being unable to stop Gassiev and Breidis, isn't anywhere near as bad as being unable to stop Hammer and Rudenko.

    So where is the evidence of current Povetkin's mythical 'DEVASTATING' punching power which Joshua should have been afraid of? I made threads before the fight, proving and explaining how Povetkin's punching power posed very little threat to Anthony Joshua. Most individuals shrugged off those proofs and explanations, and wanted to believe the contrary. But it was me who was proven to be right, once again.

    If Usyk fails to stop elite level opponents with very high durability like Mairis Breidis and Murat Gassiev, then somehow it proves Usyk is a feather fist?

    Yet, when Povetkin is unable to even deter / budge / score a single knockdown in 24 rounds against much inferior opponents that are journeymen level like Christian Hammer and Andriy Rudenko, we are to believe he is still this devastating puncher that poses a bigger threat to Joshua than Usyk does, because of his mythical punching power? When there's no real proof from his last 4 fights that his power is any more dangerous than that of Usyk's?

    What kind of logic is this?
     
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  2. PolishNavy

    PolishNavy Boxing Addict booted Full Member

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    by smothering him
    what is Usyk gonna do???
     
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  3. Holler

    Holler Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Where is the evidence of Usyk taking multiple hits from heavyweight opponents?
     
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  4. chico g

    chico g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    From the incredible Joe Joyce. But I still think Usyk loses the rematch. The body builder Joshua probably only needs one or two clean combinations anyway. 12 rounds is a long time to stay away from that kind of danger and win rounds. Lets see how Usyk does against Dustin Nichols first, before we assess his heavyweight campaign.
     
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  5. Rockradar

    Rockradar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Usyk would just get knocked out eventually. Just like what happened to Povetkin IMO. Povetkin would probably knock out Usyk. Povetkin vs Usyk would be a better fight.
     
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  6. PolishNavy

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    Let Usyk beat Kownacki first
     
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  7. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He only has to land a big shot, just like he did against Povetkin.
     
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  8. Vykus

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    Usyk and Povetkin are too very different fighters with 2 very different strategic outlooks. Povetkins movement and bumble bee in and out darting was enough to keep Joshua off him, for a while, in which time Joshua banged away at his body to slow him down and get the KO when Povetkin was tired. Difference between Usyk and Povetkin is that Povetkin has dangerous power at heavyweight, whereas Usyk doesnt. Thus most likely Joshua will simply smother, swarm and run straight over the top of him.
     
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  9. Oreet Cha!

    Oreet Cha! Always poor, never bored (IDLES) Full Member

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    So much hate and a complete lack of sensible logic.

    As soon as Joshua bangs, it is game over for Usyk and about 99% of the Heavyweight Division. As decent a fighter as Usyk is.

    Lets see if Usyk gets past Bellew 1st before you all start making outlandish claims with zero evidence, based upon an actual heavyweight bout featuring Usyk, about him wiping the division out.
     
  10. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitantum Staff Member

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    Have all of you forgotten the Parker match?

    Are any of you actually going to pretend like Parker is as good as Usyk? Or as fast as Usyk? Or as elusive as Usyk?

    While I thought Parker did enough to edge it 7-5, fine, most of you disagree, but he did easily take 5-6 rounds off of AJ, and he did that merely by defending well and landing a flimsy jab here and there.

    If 6'4 Parker with is 75 inch reach who has a terrible gas tank can do that, then 6'3 Usyk with his 78 inch reach who has an exemplary gas tank can and will do far far better.
     
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  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitantum Staff Member

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    Yep, just like he banged Parker and it was over.... oh wait.
     
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  12. Oreet Cha!

    Oreet Cha! Always poor, never bored (IDLES) Full Member

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    A completely different fight, both tactically and in terms of what was at stake, as I am you sure you well know, you cheeky chappie!

    How do you lot think Usyk would do against Wilder? Or Whyte? Or Fury?
     
  13. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitantum Staff Member

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    What was at stake? AJ walking onto a bomb on one of the most featerfisted fighters in the game? It was a completely different fight? How do you know how AJ-Usyk will play out? I can literally guarantee you it will play out in a similar manner, only from the southpaw stance, which will be even more troublesome for AJ.

    I think Usyk would beat Wilder and Fury as well... but nice try.
     
  14. Oreet Cha!

    Oreet Cha! Always poor, never bored (IDLES) Full Member

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    Well CST80, I hope that the fight, at some stage, gets made once the mandatory fights (IBF) are out of the way.

    April 13th Wilder / Whyte

    Late August IBF Mandatory Pulev / Fury

    Late Dec Usyk voluntary?

    It's possible although had the April fight been scheduled for March, then the time frame congestion is made easier.
     
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  15. The Akbar One

    The Akbar One Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wrong. The best version of Povetkin beats Usyk. This 39 year old version of Povetkin would have a good chance at beating Usyk. All this blind speculation of what Usyk would do against certain heavyweights, without him having shown what he has at heavyweight yet, is laughable.
     

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