How Does Manny Pacquiao Compare Against a True P4P All Time Great, Jimmy Wilde ?

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  1. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Jimmy Wilde actually defines P4P and here is why ? -
    Jimmy Wilde was always giving weight away, he only weighed about 90 lbs, the lightest weighclass in his day was 'Flyweight' - 112lbs, today there are weight classes at 'Strawweight' 105 lbs and 'Light Flyweight' 108 lbs.

    If they could have made weightclasses small enough for the 'Mighty Atom' he would have won World titles at 90 lbs {does not exsist}, 95 lbs {does not exsist}, 100 lbs {does not exsist}, 105 lbs {now a weight class}, 108 lbs {now a weight class}, 112 lbs {Was World Flyweight Champion} 115 lbs {now a weightclass} also Jimmy Wilde had a couple of wins over Joe Lynch who went on to become World Bantamweight Champion 118 lbs, he gave Lynch a 14 lb weight advantage.

    Jimmy Wilde often weighed in for fights in his street clothes, including shoes and his pockets allegedly 'full of rocks' { I have read that in America at the time you was required to be within 10 lbs of your opponents weight, I dont know if that was true, if it was it could explain Jimmy wearing his street clothes to weigh in}

    Jimmy Wilde, is definitely the best flyweight of all time -
    The Internatinal Boxing research organisation say so.
    Nat Fleischer says so
    Charlie 'Broadway' Rose says so
    {Infact I have never ever seen an ATG flyweight list, that does not show 'The Mighty Atom' as number 1}.

    Jimmy Wilde was unbeaten in his first 101 fights, this was one of the longest unbeaten runs ever.
    Jimmy Wilde is widely regarded as one of the most devistating punchers ever, {no matter what weight division} thats why he was called the 'Ghost with a Hammer in his Hand'.
    Infact Jimmy Wilde is often ranked as the 'Greatest Ever Puncher'. In 2003, Ring magazine listed him as their #3 all time best ever puncher.
    Jimmy Wildes KO record was an increditable 65.13 % {considering he was fighting in the main, bigger, larger men}
    Gene Tunney said that Jimmy Wilde was the ''Greatest Fighter I Ever Saw''
    The IBRO (International Boxing Research Organization) published a listing of the greatest boxers of all time in the IBRO Journal # 91 Sept, 27 2006.
    Nearly a third of voters had Jimmy Wilde in their top 10 All Time Great P4P. Two thirds of voters had him in their top 20.

    Wilde fought all the best boxers in his day, although Wilde was from Wales he became an International superstar {10 fights in the USA and 2 in Canada, one of the Canadian fights attracted a crowd of 11,000 people which was the largest ever attendance for a bout in that country} , Wilde retired after losing to Pete Herman in round 17, Wilde was giving Herman a
    10lb weight advantage, after 30 months {2 and half years} out of the ring Wilde was tempted out of the retirement to fight the new young sensation
    'Pancho Villa' in New York, Wilde was given a massive sum for 1923, of £13,000 pounds sterling, Wilde was 31 years old and Pancho Villa was 22 years old, it was one fight to many for Jimmy Wilde, Villa became the Phillipines first World boxing champion and a national hero overnight.

    Jimmy Wilde's record was 137 Wins {99 by KO}, 2 Draws and 5 defeats.
    He became President of the National Union of Boxers and wrote an autobiography, Fighting Was My Business.

    Manny Pacquiao still has a long way to go before he can be seen as a ATG top 20 boxer, and sit alongside the likes of Jimmy Wilde.
     
  2. JonesHagler

    JonesHagler Active Member Full Member

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    jimmy wilde is an asswipe
     
  3. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    they are in the same bracket
     
  4. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    20% of pacquiao fight are against hall of famers

    20% of wilde's fights are against fighters with a winning record...at least 80% has no significance
     
  5. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    So basically your arguement is whatever The IBRO (International Boxing Research Organization) says then it has to be true?
     
  6. Dominicano

    Dominicano Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Better than this guy? As far as I know Pacquiao ranks higher than the Filipino who knocked Wilde out and surpassed him and Flash Elorde as the greatest Asian fighter ever.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    wtf
     
  8. Kush

    Kush Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's the definition of P4P
     
  9. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    80% of wilde fights are against fighters who had only 5 fights
     
  10. Kush

    Kush Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl yeah right
     
  11. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Pac compares quite well to a guy like Wilde. I'm not saying Pac is top 20, but the way you put it out there I'd say Pac compares quite well. You could write a text like that about Pac's accomplishments and put it next to Jimmy Wilde's an he would have nothing to be ashamed of. If Pac had won a title in every division he's passed over since he won his first title at 112, he's have titles at

    112, 115, 118, 122, 126, 130, 135, and 140 by the age of 30, and non-title wins at 108 and 147
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Jesus Christ you are really stretching it with this.

    ON BOXREC. IF SOMETHING IS ON BOXREC IT IS NOT NECCESARILY TRUE. AN ESTIMATED 5% OF FIGHTS THAT HAPPENED APPEAR ON BOXREC.
     
  13. JonesHagler

    JonesHagler Active Member Full Member

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    if those records are right I think Jimmy Wilde probably had one of the worst opponents records in the history of boxing
     
  14. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    jim barry is a hall of famer that fought only 6 guys with a winning record
     
  15. Carlos Primera

    Carlos Primera Boxing Addict Full Member

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