How Does Manny Pacquiao Compare Against a True P4P All Time Great, Jimmy Wilde ?

did jimmy wilde beat a hall of famer? yes, he may have 140 official fights, but we would see that 75 fights are against fighters who have only fought 5 times

not to mention those fights against fighter in more losses than wins

 

pacman's resume looks better in pictures... :yep

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for the record, boxrec shows that wilde has 137 wins, 100 of those comes against fighters who are veteran of only five fights...

more or less, you have a trend on how the career of jimmy wilde went by

 

I'd vote Sam Langford as being more evocative of the meaning of pound for pound...but Wilde is a god.

 

I don't know what the **** is the point of this thread. Nobody's saying that Pac is better than Wilde. Or is this another one of those threads that puts Pac down just to make the haters feel better?

 

100% true:good:good:good

 

P4P, prime for prime, no way wilde beats pac...look at the way he fights, stands in front and trade...all fighters who does that to pac, ends up in the canvas!!!!

 

In a post-war list, Manny might just break the top 20.

His resume is superior to WIlde's IMO as well, int erms of decent fighters beaten. I'm sure there are a lot of small fighters that could knock out inexperienced big guys, just like Wilde did.

 

If we use boxing terms, its actually a UNANIMOUS DECISION here in ESB that Manny is NOT a top 20 ATG. 90% don't think he is bro. So what your doing is almost pointless.

 

:rofl

Need to get a higher quality Barrera pic and adjust a few of the others but good prototype. You're on the right path ....

 

It is always a rather impossible endeavor to compare athletes from long ago with the current ones. One factor is that those earlier athletes were the shoulders that the current guys are standing upon in terms of the sum of their knowledge and understanding of the sport. No one has to reinvent the wheel because of what came before and the education that has been provided to later generations.

Adding to the impossibility is it seems unsupportable to exclude the particular impact of sport segregation. While boxing/prize fighting has been around for the longest time and has had comparatively more interaction than certain other sports (post 1946 for the NFL, post 1947 for Major League Baseball, & post 1950 for the NBA) it is clear that the success of athletes of color post 1940s to the present (as one example) makes the attribution of "best in the world" at many sports pre-1940s (pre-WWII), perhaps not a dubious distinction, but at least one that might require a bit of an asterisk.

In boxing, the period at the end of the 1800s and into the early 1900s was certainly quite (obviously) dissimilar to today. The UK (not unlike the USA - and all other places), was not a particulary egalitarian country in these years or this period. In Wilde's career, about 130 of his fights were more of the regional character (than not). I would not suggest he is anything less than an all-time great. But, it brings you back to one point - he was better than the guys he fought.

 

It was also a unanimous decision that:

De La Hoya would decapitate Pacquiao.

Margarito would beat Mosley.

Mijares would school Darchinyan.

Lesson? The consensus isn't always right. The one that also makes me smile (and is very provocative), is that 95% of the world believes in a God. Not that I'm going to start preaching... just something to ponder.

P.S. The poll indicates that the majority (i.e. more than 50%) think Manny is a top 20 fighter. Oops, where did you get your "90%" from?

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