How does Norton stack up compared to these challengers?

Where does Norton fit compared to the accomplishments of these other contenders? These are the five best wins of all these contenders (voted by you). Do you still rank him as a top five top ten contender even?


Archie Moore
1)Harold Johnson
2) Nino Valdez
3) Jimmy Bivins
4) Bob Baker
5) Bob Satterfield

Chris Byrd
1) Vitali Klitschko
2) David Tua
3) Evander Holyfield
4) Jameel Mcline
5) Fres Oquendo

Sam Langford
1) Harry Wills
2) Joe Jeanette
3) Sam Mcvea
4) Gun Boat Smith
5) George Godfrey

Joe Jeannette
1) Sam Langford
2) Sam Mcvea
3) Jack Johnson
4) Jeff Clarke
5) George Carpentier

Harry Wills
1) Sam Langford
2) Sam Mcvea
3) Luis Angel Firpo
4) Fred Fulton
5) Joe Jeannette

Jerry Quarry
1) Floyd Patterson
2) Ron Lyle
3) Earnie Shavers
4) Mac Foster
3) Thad Spencer

Jimmy Bivins
1) Bob Pastor
2) Ezzard Charles
3) Lee Q Murray
4) Three way tie Archie Moore
5) Joey Maxim/ Lee Savold

Ken Norton
1) Muhammad Ali
2) Jimmy Young
3) Jerry Quarry
4) Three way tie Ron Stander
5) Larry Middleton/ Henry Clark

Oscar Bonavena
1) Karl Mildenberger
2) Zora Foley
3) Leotis Martin
4) George Chuvalo
5) Gregorio Peralta

Harold Johnson
1) Ezzard Charles
2) Eddie Machen
3) Archie Moore
4) Jimmy Bivins
5) Nino Valdez

Bob Pastor
1) Jimmy Bivins
2) Turkey Thompson
3) Lem Franklin
4) Roscoe Toles (tied for fourth)
5) Gus Lesnevich (tied for fourth)

David Tua
1) Hasim Rahman (tied for first)
2) John Ruiz (tie for first)
3) Fres Oquendo
4) Oleg Maskaev
5) Michael Moorer

Zora Foley
1) Eddie Machen
2) Nino Valdez
3) Henry Cooper
4) Bob Cleroux
5) George Chuvalo

Eddie Machen
1) Nino Valdez
2) Jerry Quarry
3) Hurricane Jackson
4) Doug Jones
5) Bob Baker

Ron Lyle
1) Oscar Bonavena
2) Jimmy Ellis
3) Earnie Shavers
4) Joe Bugner (tie for 4/5)
5) Larry Middleton

Cleveland Williams
1) Earnie Terrell
2) Alex Miteff
3) Billy Daniels
4) Dic Richardson
5) Alonzo Johnson

Nino Valdez
1) Ezzard Charles
2) Tommy Jackson
3) Don ****ell
4) Brian London
5) Mike Dejohn

Frank Bruno
1) Oliver McCall
2) Gerrie Coetzee
3) Joe Bugner
4) Carl Williams
5) James Tillis

Sam Mcvea
1) Sam Langford
2) Joe Jeanette (tie for second)
3) Harry Wills (tie for second)
4) Jeff Clark (tie for fourth)
5) Denver Ed Martin (tie for fourth)

Donovan Ruddock
1) Mike Weaver (tie for first)
2) Michael Dokes (tie for first)
3) Bone crusher Smith
4) Greg Page
5) Phil Jackson

Tommy Morrison
1) George Foreman
2) Donovan Ruddock
3) Carl Williams
4) Joe Hipp
5) Pinklon Thomas

Corrie Sanders
1) Wladimit Klitschko
2) Carlos Deleon
3) Ross Puritty
4) Johnny Du Plooy (tied for fourth)
5) Bert Cooper (tied for fourth)

Ernie Terrell
1) Zora Foley
2) Eddie Machen
3) Cleveland Williams
4) George Chuvalo
5) Doug Jones

Bob Baker
1) Nino Valdes
2) Rex Layne
3) Jimmy Bivins
4) George Chuvalo
5) Johnny Holman

Jimmy Ellis
1) Floyd Patterson (tied for first)
2) Jerry Quarry (tied for first)
3) Oscar Bonavena
4) Leotis Martin
5) George Chuvalo

Buster Mathis
1) George Chuvalo
2) Amos Lincoln
3) Bob Stallings
4) Chuck Wepner
5) James Beattie

Lou Nova
1) Max Baer
2) Tommy Farr
3) Gunnar Barland
4) Pat Comiskey
5) Abe Simon and Lee Ramage tie

Elmer Ray
1) Ezzard Charles
2) Jersey Joe Walcott
3) Lee Savold
4) Obie Walker
5) Sid Peaks/ Leroy Haynes tie

Jimmy Young
1) George Foreman
2) Ron Lyle
3) Jose Luis Garcia
4) John L Gardner
5) Richard Dunn

Tommy Loughran
1) MaX Baer (tied for first)
2) Jack Sharkey (tied for first)
3) Ernie Schaaf
4) James Braddock
5) Steve Hamas

Rex Layne
1) Jersey Joe Walcott
2) Ezzard Charles
3) Bob Satterfield
4) Turkey Thompson
5) Cesar Brion

Buddy Baer
1) Tony Galento
2) Lee Savold
3) Nathan Mann
4) Abe Simon
5) Al Delaney

Billy Conn
1) Bob Pastor
2) Lee Savold
3) Al Mcoy
4) Gunnar Barland
5) Melio Bettina

Earnie Shavers
1) Ken Norton
2) Jimmy Ellis
3) Joe Bugner
4) Jimmy Young
5) Henry Clark

Gerry Cooney
1) Ken Norton
2) Jimmy Young
3) Ron Lyle
4) Dini Dennis
5) Eddie Gregg

Alexander Povetkin
1) Ruslan Chagaev
2) Eddie Chambers (tied for 2/3)
3) Dillian Whyte (tied for 2/3)
4) Chris Byrd
5) Hasim Rahman

Lamon Brewster
1) Wladimir Klitschko
2) Andrew Golata
3) Luan Krasniqui
4) Kali Meehan
5) Tommy Martin

Bob Satterfield
1) Harold Johnson
2) Bob Baker
3) Nino Valdez
4) Lee Oma
5) Cleveland Williams

Gun Boat Smith
1) Sam Langford
2) Jess Willard
3) Battling Levinsky (tied for 3rd)
4) Fireman Jim Flynn ( tied for 3rd)
5) Frank Moran

George Chuvalo
1) Jerry Quarry
2) Doug Jones
3) Bob Cleroux
4) Mike Dejohn
5) Cleveland Williams/ Manuel Ramos (tied)

Lee Savold
1) Lou Nova
2) Joe Baksi
3) Bruce Woodcock
4) Lem Franklin
5) Tony Musto

Mike Weaver
1) John Tate
2) Gerrie Coetzee
3) Carl Williams
4) James Tillis
5) Bernardo Mercado

Young Stribling
1) Johnny Risko
2) Maxie Rosenbloom (tied for 2)
3) Tuffy Griffiths (Tied for 2)
4) Tommy Loughran
5) Primo Carnera

Michael Dokes
1) Mike Weaver
2) Randall Cobb
3) Jimmy Young
4) Ossi Ocasio
5) John Gardner/ George Chaplin tied

Tami Mauriello
1) Lee Savold
2) Lee Oma
3) Lou Nova
4) Bruce Woodcock
5) Red Burman

Ernie Schaff
1) Max Baer
2) Tommy Loughran
3) James Braddock
4) Young Stribling (tied for fourth)
5) Johnny Risko (tied for fourth)

John Ruiz
1) Evander Holyfield
2) Hasim Rahman
3) Andrew Golata
4) Kirk Johnson
5) Fres Oquendo

Ruslan Chagaev
1) Nikolai Valuev
2) John Ruiz
3) Kali Meehan
4) Fres Oquendo (three way tie 4/5)
5) Vladimir Vyrchys/ Francesco Pianetta

Oliver McCall
1) Lennox Lewis
2) Larry Holmes
3) Henry Akinwade
4) Francesco Damiani
5) Oleg Maskaev/ Bruce Seldon (tie)

Tim Witherspoon
1) Frank Bruno
2) Tony Tubbs
3) Greg Page
4) Carl Williams
5) Renaldo Snipes

 

All the top wins were voted on by BF24 members a year ago or so. There were arguments on a lot of guys.

and no alphabets were counted

 

It definitely is. This isn’t an attempt to put down Norton but an opportunity to better see how he compares to others. I don’t think it makes the top ten although I’m not necessarily anti the call as after top seven or eight it gets close

 

So does Ezzard Charles drop several ranks because of all his losses? I’m sure you don’t rate Holyfield that way. Losses like wins have context. Unfortunately for Norton he doesn’t have many good wins. This should be an educational post for you. Where do you reasonably rank Norton based on these other men’s accomplishments?