How does pacquiao become P4P ATG No1?

KO Cotto, KO Mayweather, KO shane mosley....All at 147 lbs. Then Finally KO JMM. Top 5 GOAT after all that. It's a longshot though

 

Why would you look at ALL of the fights the old-timers fought and not just the good ones? Sure, Robinson fought 210+ times, but over 2/3 of them were against scrubs. He pretty regularly fought guys with less than 10 career fights in showcase bouts around the globe. Why the hell should those fights count any more than the fights at the very beginning of someone's career? If you want to get a good idea of where someone stands, look at how they did against other solid fighters. Top 10 in their division isn't necessarily the best place to look because the divisions were so much deeper when there were only 7 of them, but it's not a bad place to start.

I'm not trying to argue that Pac is better than Robinson, but there are a lot of other old-timers who people have ahead of Pac who have similar stories. If they only fought 40 or so significant fights in their careers, then you should be looking at those significant fights, not at all 100+ other fights against construction workers and barroom brawlers. So far, Pac has fought about 25 or so significant fights in his career, so he's still lagging behind those guys in terms of longevity, but he's also only 30 and theoretically could go on for 10 more fights.

Also, saying "never" seems just silly for me. What if he pulls a Hopkins and continues to be a top fighter until he's 45? It's extraordinarily unlikely, but it's not like there isn't precedent for it.

 

Cotto would be an excellent win for him and a good start.

Bradley would be a good start, because he is number 2 in that division and held WBC and holds the WBO title.

Now, whats next, possible options for big fights ?

Edwin Valero at 140lbs. Two time undefeated champion banger.
Andre Berto a WBC title at 147lbs.
Cory Spinks a IBF title at 154lbs.

Floyd Mayweather and Mosley are tougher. Also, he should stay away from Margarito.

Is he big enough to beat a Sturm or one of the vacant IBF opponents for a belt at middleweight?

You don't know with this guy, how long can he go on improving fight after fight. How far can he go?

 

The percentages havent really changed..Pac has fought his fair share of scrubs. IMO Pac has fought more then half his fights vs scrubs.

Truth be told the old time fighters fought alot of not very good fighters simple because they fought 2 or 3 times a month and you cnat find good to great fighters to fight that often..Fighting once or twice a year there really isnt any reason not to fight good fighters everytime out. Thing about old-time fighters is they had to fight all the contenders, there was none of this win a belt from a sub-par beltholder then vacate once a fighter comes along that is a high risk low reward kind of fighter..EXAMPLE Bradley giving up his belt to fight Campbell instead of fighting Devon Alexander, who was a bigger risk then Campbell..That is the way of todays boxing my friend, and that simply didnt happen in those days, outside of the heavyweight champion not fighting top black fighters.

 

If he beats Cotto, PBF and JMM, he is a definite top 10 for me.

 

I see with what your saying but generally todays boxers are protected so they are never gonna fight the same amount of top boxers as the old guys. Having said that Pacquiao's one of the few who has done okay up to now. Im not putting every guy with 100 wins above Pacquiao just guys like the ones I've mentioned with the significant wins that he can never amount to.

Pacquiao will never fight until hes 45 not with his style. Hopkins has done it by being a very defensive fighter, Pacquiao is nothing like that, he'd need a complete style overhaul to still be fighting at that age. Still I reckon he can be top 20 if he beats Cotto and Mayweather, thats not bad is it?

 

They have a hard life these days.

I think if Manny beat Cotto, Mayweather and Mosley it would be enough for top 3.
And with the time slowly going forward and the ESB forum slowly decaying
into the gray (say in the next 15 years) PAC will be in good way for his #1 ATG spot.

 

About 123-1, Robinson HAD to have that many fights, because that's how he made a living financially. The actual impressive part of SRR's resume are the HOF names in his wins column.

For any shot of becoming P4P the best ever, he'd have to fight no one but HOFers and potential-HOFers from here on out for a long period of time (well, not necessarily, but he has to hunt for a ton of those names assuming that there's even enough names out there). It's almost a given that he'll have to tread into even higher weight classes than he even walks around just to get those names.

 

You thought you got me there, didn't ya? :nono

In all honesty, I think Hopkins has fought the better comp, and has accomplished more throughout his career. But in no point in his career was he a better fighter, compared to a prime RJJ.

Pac cannot become p4p ATG #1 mate. That's not realistic.

As the song goes, "Get yo feet back on the ground".

 

if Pac beats Cotto in November, PBF in the spring, and Mosley in fall 2010, he will still be only 31 years old. Lets say he fights until he turns 36, in december 2014, and fights 2 fights a year, one in spring and one in fall.

by 2011 lets say Valero is still undefeated and has beaten Soto and the winner of Guzman vs Funeka. Pac takes him on in spring 2011 and whoops his ass. Now lets say Bradley has beaten a few solid names like Devon Alexander or Peterson and a relatively big name like Amir Khan. Pac takes on Bradley in fall 2011 and whoops his ass. Then Pac fights Andre Berto in spring 2012, who by that time has established himself even more and is considered on of the best fighters. Pac whoops his ass. By that point Cotto has re-established himself, avenging his win over Margarito and beating PBF, Pac fights Cotto in a rematch in fall 2012 and whoops his ass again. At this point, Pac is only 33 years old.

 

Well, that's a lot of "ifs", but I guess you never know in boxing. Still, to me it's too unrealistic to think Pac has a chance to become the greatest of all time p4p. Except if we're witnessing a boxing miracle in the making, which would be great.

 

whats up carles..? what happened to you... go to pinoy tambayan.

 

he beats floyd, top 20..no questions asked.

 

I already did.

Can you answer a question for me, and answer truthfully?

 

yep... what?