How does Pacquiao take away mayweathers best punches?

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  1. mughalmirza786

    mughalmirza786 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Anyone whos seen mayweather fight recently will know his right hand is the one he uses most frequently as a lead punch followed in priority by the leaping left hook. He is also has a great jab which combined with that reach is incredily effective especially when he has the reach advantage.

    Pacquiao needs to take away most if not all of these shots from mayweather if he is to beat him especially that lead right hand. The thing is mayweather will have a massive reach advantage which will work perfectly for him in using his potshotting style. Pacquiao has however shown the ability to take away an opponents best punches most recently in the cotto fight. Early on cotto lands alot of jabs which land flush. Later in the fight pacquiao is slipping the jab and countering with a right hook, left uppercut combination.

    Does manny pacquiao posses the ability on defence to take away mayweathers best offensive weapons?

    Also how does pacquiao get past mayweathers defence consistently? I rewatched the pacquiao cotto fight and saw that pacquiao is becoming very good with his own lead left hand. In the fight pacquiao would hit cotto with a lead left hook and then slip and shot and move out.

    Can pacquiao force mayweather to be the aggressor? If he can then i believe he can beat him. Despite what many ESB'ers believe, mayweather is not an effective aggressor. His whole game is about capitalising on an opponents mistakes. He can do this because he has hidieously fast reflexes and a large reach advantage over most of his opponents. I watched mayweather marquez and the one thing that stands out is just how fast mayweather can move his entire body. Marquez would often look to throw a punch but mayweather would have enough time to snap his body back, load up on a straight right hand and slip the incoming punch.

    The pacquiao mayweather fight would be the only one where manny has faced someone who can match him athlectically and perhaps surpass him. How does he deal with that? The same however can be said for Floyd. No one has come close to having the fast footwork and handspeed pacquiao possesses in combination with strength and power.

    This fight for me hinges on whether pacquiao is fast enough to overcome mayweathers reflexes. If he is, then he will stop mayweather. If hes isnt, mayweather will win by UD.
     
  2. Capri

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    first manny wasnt slipping punches.....cotto was missing at that point
     
  3. josak

    josak Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Manny already takes away most of Floyds best punches just by being a southpaw. You can't use lead left hooks on southpaw, and jabs to the body aren't effective. He has to rely on a straight right hands. The bigger question is can he back Pacquaio off throwing one punch at a time. I don't think so.
     
  4. Capri

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    i dont think mannys skill can match mayweather...manny like to come at a immobile target....when cotto was moving man was missing....cotto isnt know for his defensive movements.

    but i think pac will need more lessons than to chase and stick his head out to attack and drop his hands after punching.
    to take a jab out of a fight you need haed movement...pac doesnt have that
    pac is also aggressive to the point that he gets too wild with his shots....

    the way to better mayweather is to stay calm and pick him apart with accuracy ,speed and avoiding the counterpunch
     
  5. EpsilonAxis

    EpsilonAxis HNIC Full Member

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    This is an excellent point. Floyd's "check hook" will not be very successful against Manny.

    Where we disagree, however, is that I think Floyd's lead right will find target a good bit during the fight. I expect Floyd to throw the right hand, followed by a pivot to keep Pacquiao from having him directly in front of him. If you let Pac throw at a frozen target, he will pepper you all night.
     
  6. Knives7

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    :think Cotto was missing because Pacquiao was avoiding the punches. Cotto was getting stunned everytime Pacquiao counters his punches.
     
  7. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not really floyd is educated with both hands. Floyd's quick lead right will cause problem for pac, because floyd likes to throw it both defensive punch and a offensive punch. Second lead right are very effective against south paws and floyd just so happens to be laser straight with his.

    Left hook: floyd dose not lead jump in with the left hook against south paw, but rather flow his jab in probing prodding looking to hook off the jab, once he get that going then he has you guess which hand he will lead with ..


    Pac best weapon is his hight, Floyd has major problem with short fighters who move their head. This takes away two thing from floyd, one his accuracy because the short fighter are able to get under his punches and make him mis.. Two he will stand still just long enough to land a shot on him.. So if pac and come in low and fast he has a excellent chance of wining but if he stands straight up he will get picked off, because floyd prides himself timing learning his opponents cadence and timing their attacks, he almost has it down to a science.

    and your wrong you can land a lead left hook on a south paw just as they can land lead right hook on a orthodox fighter, which is why floyd fought Zab with a high guard, because he new Zab has enough zip and power to catch him with that punch. If you carry your lead hand low you will get caught with these shots because they are delivered out side your field of vision.
     
  8. Blind Sheikh

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    You mean against JWW Ricky Hatton and 36-year-old LW Marquez?

    Anyone who's seen Mayweather fight recently against a welterweight...oh wait. That's never happened because Mayweather doesn't fight welterweights even though he himself is a welterweight.
     
  9. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    He can't Pac is there to be hit.:deal
     
  10. Knives7

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    Pacquiao will eat Mayweather's punches like rice and in the later rounds Pacquiao will make Mayweather eat his punches and Mayweather will not be able to handle them.
     
  11. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    don't be stupid dude, floyd actually won the welter weight title at the welter weight limit from a lagit welter weight fighter that interred the ring at 160 Baldi and again against zab who came in at 150 + .. Pac won the welter weight title and a contracted catch weight, now who's really not fighting legitimate welters here.. ?
     
  12. snipe200

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    Pac doesn't really have the defense to negate the most accurate fighter in the sport, his offense is his defense.
     
  13. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd like to see him make May come to him. Floyd is not an aggressor. Just like Marquez played into Floyds game by coming after him, Pac can do the same. We've seen Pac fight going forward or on the backfoot. I've never seen Floyd fight as the aggressor. Sure he's attacked but it always starts from counters or after he's broken his man.
     
  14. snipe200

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    Floyd has been the aggressor against the last three southpaws he has fought(Sharmba, Judah, and Corley), and he punished all of them with right hand leads, body punching and pressure. Manny has no chance in my honest opinion. NONE :verysad
     
  15. angelos

    angelos Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah. Problem is your running at a risk of being floored first. Think of Pac vs Morales 3 (round 3), Pac vs. Cotto (round 4) & Pac vs Marquez 2 (round 4). They all think Pac is ready to be hit and then.. boom :hey