How does Pacquiao take away mayweathers best punches?

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  1. JayK

    JayK New Member Full Member

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    Jose Luis Castillo. Castillo was also the same height as Floyd and 9 pounds bigger both fights. Manny is shorter and has far less reach. JLC also had a WAY better jab than Manny.
     
  2. pit

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    Cotto foolishly thought he could over power pac into submission. even after he saw his plan was not working he continued on the same path until he had nothing left and ended getting stopped himself.
     
  3. snipe200

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    Did Cotto use the jab in every round??................Okay then. Manny probably stops him anyway but he would have made it more competitive just boxing IMO.

    Floyd has fought fighters with all of Manny's attributes, but never in one, but the thing is all he needs is a jab to beat Maany. Majority of his punches are straight up the middle, has Floyd ever been susceptible to that kind of offense?? Who has Manny fought with Floyds defense?? Hand Speed??
     
  4. JayK

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    Agreed Pit. If anything, Cotto really had no respect for Manny's power early in the fight. He traded and got worn down.
     
  5. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Castillo is more of a true pressure fighter where Manny is more of a intensity fighter. Physically Castiilo is greater,but athletically I'd say Pac is miles ahead. Castillo cuts off the ring, sets traps, likes to bully you, and get you on the ropes. Pac is more of an in and out dude who makes you fight because of his athletic abilities. Sometimes he looks sloppy from the angles he's punching from, there's really no fighter I can think of who fights like Pac.
     
  6. snipe200

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    Manny has shown the ability to get frustrated(after the cut in the second Marquez fight), if he doesn't get to Floyd by Round 6, he will be frustrated.

    People are overrating Manny's ability, he is exceptional at what he does, but his style is tailor made for a counterpuncher(a la Marquez). Floyd may not have the offensive output as Marquez, but he knows how to lull the fight to his pace with his potshotting offense. The high guard defense coupled with Floyd's jab be hell for Manny.
     
  7. pit

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    you would think some time during that fight after round 4, someone would have said "ok he not going anywhere, let box him and mix in some hard shots" . At least he would have had something left in the tank when he needed it.
     
  8. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If all Floyd needs is a jab, then i guess someone should have told the other guys Pac left on their back........ Cotto started to get caught, Manny admittedly said he was feeling Cotto out and testing his power the first couple rounds. While Cotto was avoiding punishment by moving, he wasn't scoring. Floyd will be arguably the best fighter Pac has faced and vice versa.

    Before the Marquez and Cotto fights I had Floyd a slight favorite. I now say it's about even. But that could all change in the ring.
     
  9. boxbox

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    This is what most people thought he should have done before the fight. They thought Pac couldn't handle Cotto's power, and that Cotto was skilled enough to beat Pac. The jab was effective in the early rounds, but i dont think you can sustain that having an opponent with a fighting style, exceptional workrate, and a solid chin like pac. You will eventually end up playing his type of game.
     
  10. JayK

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    My point is that if a fighter that was bigger and stronger than Floyd with better tools and boxing skills than Manny couldn't beat Floyd, how is Manny going to? Manny gets countered with the left hook all the time, which is one of Floyd's best punches. Now what punch does Floyd get hit with that Manny throws? Straight left? No. Left hook? Almost never. Uppercuts? Nope. Right hook? He hasn't been hit with this punch since the Castillo fight. Floyd really is a sublime fighter and his defense has gotten better every fight. He learned to avoid the left hook in the Chop Chop fight, the right hook in the Castillo fight, straights of all types in the Corrales fight, etc. There is nothing that Manny will bring to the ring that Floyd hasn't seen before. But Manny has never faced a fighter that can avoid getting hit like Floyd. People are assuming Manny's speed will allow him to connect. I'm not sure if that is going to be the case. And Floyd's chin is very underrated.
     
  11. pit

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    True but it was pretty obvious it was the wrong plan after round 4.. Cotto went out and busted his load hoping to get pac out of there quick only to have it backfire. I mean he continued to march forward when saw it was not working, he was just making it easy for pac. You can maintain your attack on fighter like pac if you control the distance, with your feet and mix your punches up .. Cotto went for the KO right away and he paid for it..
     
  12. snipe200

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    :goodVery respectable, its all semantics bro, I just think Floyd outboxes him all day long. Have a good night.
     
  13. JayK

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    Cotto was outboxing Pac easily until he decided to trade. He bought into his own hype. Some guys just have awesome chins. I remember when Mike McCallum fought Julian Jackson... Jackson had the most vicious KO power of any fighter I've seen but could not KO McCallum to save his life. McCallum ended up TKOing Jackson in their fight (2nd round). Pac's chin is like granite... it's almost like having a third punch because fighters wear themselves out trying to KO Pac because he is so hittable.
     
  14. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're going by a textbook. See Floyd read and mastered the book, Pac never knew there was a book and made his own rules as well as style. When has Pac been getting caught with these left hooks. He fought Hoya and Cotto who are both born lefties and therefor have great lefts, straight punches caused the most problems. Pac doesn't throw textbook punches but he throws a half hook-uppercut that will no doubt cause problems. It comes from a low spot when Pac is slipping a punch, which wil land on the inside. I also think him spinning off Floyd and throwing that straight left will land. he also is throwing lead body shots now.
     
  15. renyo

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    :cool: We'll have to wait and see.