How does prime Pacquiao do against these prime fighters at 147lb

The problem is your comparing a zombie version of ODLH who was shot, and hadn't fought at Welterweight in a decade he had nothing to offer. Margarito is a come forward brawler with no defence, Mosley was old and not anywhere close to Hearns's attributes in size, Thurman is not on Hearns's level, Algieri is a light hitting decent boxer at best.

We're talking about a prime Hearns here who is a stylistic nightmare for any Welterweight in history, and who would be top 10 H2H Welterweight on many peoples lists.

How is the 5'5 67 inch reach Pacquiao going to deal with a 6'1 78 inch Hearns who has an ATG jab and legit 1 punch KO power in his right hand ?

 

If all fights could be calculated on paper they wouldnt have to fight the fights. Pac had very fast feet and his shorter arms and blazing speed wouldve been treacherous for Hearns to fight anything but from the outside...and what was Hearns famous for besides his jab and right hand? Getting into dogfights and throwing caution to the wind. I could see him biting his guard and trying to "fight" Manny and on the inside that massive reach advantage becomes a massive disadvantage.

I definitely dont see it as a forgone conclusion. Manny belongs in these discussions even if people dislike him (I still think he juiced on his way up, but no proof after this long...maybe he didnt?).

I think SRL is too much for Manny and Duran is probably too rugged for Manny in addition to being much bigger (naturally) and as skilled boxing-wise. If JMM could do what he did (even if its just the 1st KD in fight 4) I can see Duran having success w his style also. Aside from those 2 I dont think any of the list definitively beat Manny.

 

Not really when did Hearns willing get into dog fights ? Hagler forced him into a war he had no choice, Roldan the samething, Barkley also the samething he was willing to walkthrough Hearns's punches taking a beating to get to Hearns.

Hearns always fought at range and did it very well apart from when a few certain fighters who forced him into a dog fight, two of them being ATG's in Leonard who's top 5 Welterweight of all time, Hagler another ATG who's top 5 Middleweight. And finally Barkley who isn't ATG but is very durable and a huge Middleweight with very good power.

Hearns was not an inside fighter and never really did so, so why would he be fighting on the inside vs a fighter he has an 11 inch reach over ? and an 8 inch height advantage ? that makes no sense.

Pacquiao would be be getting peppered at range with Hearns's jab and very dangerous right hand, it would be Pacquiao's job to try and find a way inside against a fighter who had ridiculous advantages over him in size and he would be KO'ed in doing so.

Your talking about a very small Welterweight who moved up from lower weight classes, vs one of the biggest Welterweights in Hearns who is probably a natural Light Heavyweight it's a complete mismatch.

I don't think he belongs in a discussion vs Hearns because he's simply too small it's a mismatch, remember what happened to another ATG in Duran who was alot smaller than Hearns ?

 

Y’all be underestimating sweet pea

 

Pac KOs Floyd and Crawford. That's all y'all need to know.

 

Pacman be in these mofo dreams with the pain the write with

U got BlowJob12 n dynamic wanker still tryna come up with juicing theories wen it's really their kind being doin the most juicing n getting caught the most aswell

 

Probably only beats Crawford. The rest are ATGs.

 

Wouldn't favour Manny over any of these.

Just wanted to say that WW Tito is simultaneously one of the most over rated and under rated WWs I've seen on this forum which probably means I rate him wrong myself lol.

 

If you make the weight you make the weight (assuming drug testing for diuretics or other PEDs). I respectfully disagree with you. Manny would find a way inside maybe not quite the same way Leonard did, but Hearns had 3 inches of height and 4 inches of reach on SRL and that went out the window...Manny had very fast feetband awkward angles that I think may've caused trouble.

Height and reach arent everything either as we've seen time and again with Fundoran recently or Valuev or Robert Easter or Paul Williams or whoever.

Hell Shane Mosley, a HOFer whose not an ATG, but he had ~3 inches height advantage w ~7 inch reach advantage. Margarito had those same advantages but it didnt effect the outcome at all. Speed matters. Timing matters. Yes, height, weight, and reach do matter but Manny demonstrated theyre just attributes...the same way Canelo has done against Callum Smith and others. Yes, it was shot to sh!t Shane but most onlookers would agree that Manny beats Shane at any point in their WW careers.

I'm not saying Manny would beat Hearns. I'm just not dismissing his chance of doing so. I think its a real fight. Manny brought a lot more to the table than youre giving him credit for. When Hearns stepped up in competition (at WW) he wasnt as dominant. Manny ran through all his larger contemporaries save for Floyd (who wisely waited to fight him). Manny does have a style he's weak too but it's not a tall, rangy fight from a distance style - at least not that we've seen.

Floyd had a pretty good jab himself and he didnt "pepper" Manny much. He used his jab to keep Manny at bay and disrupt his offense but it was very far from a "peppering" and, again, Floyd had 2 inches in height and ~5 inches in reach on his side. And despite what those official scorecards say it was a very cloae fight. Floyd definitely won but he was largely ineffective offensively..most the rounds he won were very narrow and the few he lost were wide.

 

You keep saying this but how ? Pacquiao is 5'5 with 67 inch reach..... vs 6'1 78 inch reach how in the world is he going to get inside ? Leonard had to fight flat footed..... since when is Pacquiao going to fight flat footed and walk towards Hearns ? and how is Pacquiao's footwork going to help him vs a fighter that has over a 10 inch reach advantage with 8 inch height advqntage ? that makes literally no sense. Pacquiao would have to come forward and with someone with the KO power of Hearns he would find himself on the mat.

As for Mayweather vs Pacquiao being a close fight ? no it was 8-4, 9-3, comfortable victory for Mayweather.

Mosley was completely shot when he fought Pacquiao.... and Mosley bares absolutely no resemblance to Hearns in style or height and size.

Margarito as i already said is a come forward brawler that blocks punches with his face.....he doesn't possess any of Hearns's skills or KO power.

We're talking about "a prime Tommy Hearns" key word "prime" since when has Pacquiao ever fought someone the size of Hearns with genuine 1 punch KO power who's in their prime at the level of Tommy Hearns ?

Well i do dismiss it it's a total mismatch it's baffling how you think otherwise.

What has Mayweather got to do with this discussion ? Mayweather couldn't crack an egg at Welterweight, and he doesn't resemble Hearns at all style wise attribute wise plus he on the wrong side of 30s.

We're talking about Hearns here.....you know the guy with one of the biggest right hands ever with genuine 1 punch KO power ? i don't care about your opinion on Mayweather/Pacquiao fight which was an easy win for Mayweather. And i'm not sure how bringing up that fight is anyway beneficial to Pacquiao when he lost it 9-3.......

You keep bringing up all these fighters yet none of them resemble Hearns what so ever and is totally irrelevant to this discussion.

5'5 small Welterweight with 67 inch reach vs a huge Welterweight with 6'1 78 inch reach it's a no brainer for me..... i doubt Pacquiao would even last 6 rounds.

 

Thomas Hearns destroys Manny same way he destroyed the short armed Duran.

Terence Crawford beats Manny by switch-hitting and using his reach.

Jose Napoles v Manny 50/50.

Pernell Whitaker v Manny 60% chance Pac wins.

Sugar Ray Leonard v Manny 50/50.

Roberto Duran beats Manny, better fundamentals.

Felix Trinidad probably too powerful with too much reach, 70% chance Tito stops Manny.

 

Manny couldn`t get past Floyd`s long jab, he never faced a jab like Tommy`s, match that with Hearns power and it will be the Duran fight all over again.

 

Hearns got into dog fights v strong middleweights, he didn`t v the short armed Duran.

 

It’s funny to see so many people feel so strongly about speculation. I remember when people were certain AJ would steamroll Usyk and Canelo would crush Bivol. Styles make fights and great fighters step up under the bright lights. Prime Manny was special and at his best would make it a very tough night for any fighter.

Remember all the people who said Spence was going to spark Crawdad? I picked Hearns over Leonard in the first fight. I picked Hagler over SRL in their fight. Also picked Duran over SRL in the No mas fight. Learned to never bet against SRL. I’d never bet against Manny either.

 

Pacquiao has a good shot of beating anyone in his prime. No way does he beat them all but no way does he lose them all either.