How does the Classic Forum Rate Pacquiao in an all-time P4P sense?

Yep he has and his achievements aren't far away from Hank's but his resume just can't compare. Sorry. Pac´s still an atg!

 

Not sure you could perhaps have Berto at number 5 and that would solidify Mosleys claim to number 1 (asuming he beats him) and would you think it would bolster Cottos credentials if Shane beats berto and say another contender eg Collazo?

Pacquiao is definitly greater than Marquez in terms of his resume and what he has accomplished. But i agree in actual skills they are very very equal and i wouldnt say pacquiao is out and out better.

You realy think Manny would be too strong for Napoles as Napoles was quite strong as well. I think Napoles power and countering would play a huge part here and he would catch Pacquiao quite alot coming in as Napoles had the defence and reflexes and timing to counter pacquias attacks.

 

Yeah Greg i'd be picking Napoles when it comes down to it of course. Napoles was not the strongest fighter going though, but it was exaggerated because he was small for his division. I don't think it's out of order at all to entertain the thought that Pacquiao might be physically stronger, doesn't mean much, Napoles is a far better boxer and technician.

EDIT- my response to GP

 

strength isnt the biggest part in the match up anyway.

 

Yeah i know i said that

 

didnt see that you said it

 

Pacquiao has been the lineal champion ant flyweight, featherweight and jr welterweight. This is unprecedented in the history of the sport.

He now holds a version of the welterweight title and a win over Mosley or Mayweather would see him installed as the lineal champion at that weight.

His career is still verry much in progress but it is apparent that we are looking at the best fighter of this generation and a living legend.

 

Pacquaio has better quality wins than Armstrong though, and it all boils down to quality for me. And Pacquaio has certainly trumped Armstrong in weight hopping and logevity, dont complain about splinter championships when a mans fighting the best in 7 of the half divisions. Pacman also has better longevity

 

I'm with you on this one. :good

 

He dominated arguably the most competitive division in boxing (especially in the trans-Atlantic community) for nearly a decade. Had he moved up to light heavyweight - a 15 lbs leap - given his size he wouldn't have done all that well and many observers would downgrade his all-time ranking based on a greater number of losses. He was too packed to be a welterweight. And why would any natural middleweight go down in weight? Besides, he beat all the great welterweights of his day (yes, even Leonard).

The fact that Willie Pep was a featherweight and that's all he was doesn't impact his all-time ranking.

I can think of not a single reason to downgrade a dominant fighter in his all-time reckoning for not jumping weight classes.

 

No he doesn't. Who is Manny's Barney Ross? Oscar de la Hoya?

Armstrong was a juggernaut.