How does the Classic Forum Rate Pacquiao in an all-time P4P sense?

Fair enough. Mosley was at least 5 years past his prime and Cotto was a bit sharper than what he was for Pac, but still, I acknowledge Pac's effort, especially considering that he is quite a bit smaller than Shane and beat Cotto very convincingly.

 

Nearly all of Manny's punches come off his foot movement. Put your weight into your punches? This guy RUNS into his punches, punches that Cotto admitted in the post fight, he didn't know where they were coming from.

 

Cheers mate. The thing I was most impressed with tonight with Pac was his ability to take a punch. He walked through some solid shots, which I probably didn't expect him to cope with as well as he did. He never looked hurt in the slightest, which was quite remarkable.

His skills didn't really impress me tonight, but he did beat Cotto up something good with his salvoes. He's a ball of energy. Great athlete.

 

I think some people getting carried away a bit. Pac is great. He is an atg. But comparing him to Armstrons, Robinson? Please. His resume isn't up there, no way. It isn't even up there with Ross' or Moore's. But he is on the way. I hope he doesn't retire in the near future.

It's great seeing his career unfold and he may become a Top10/15 atg but he just isn't yet. I hope he will get there, so that I can tell my grandchildren stories about the Pac-Man. Wait a few weeks and rank him then. I doubt you can be objective in the aftermath of a fight like this.

I, too, would favour PBF over him, also Manny has a good chance. Mosley has the power but he slowed down quite a bit and is very hittable. I think Manny should be the favourite here. Let's hope at least one of these fights get's made.

 

He seems to be getting better with every fight and the size difference does not seem to affect him. He is a great in the sense of a Duran, Pryor,Leonard, etc. but his career is not done yet. His resume is thick but lets see where the chips fall. I think he has secured a place as an ATG.

 

He looked sharper in the first couple of rounds than what he did for Clottey. Mind you Clottey has better D than Pac which might have had something to do with it.

Fighting Harada.

 

i ranked him top10 , but i can understand top20.
what i can't understand is top30 which you voted yourself.
i also believe that the catchweight did effect cotto in a critical way.
he was accustomed of hardly making 147 for years now , and suddenly he has to make 145 or he loses 100k . less power , less speed , less stamina , less chin + the margachito 'loss' also has an effect.

 

Not really. I have seen some lesser known Far East fighters use a footwork that seems to be more Martial Arts than Queens bury. It puts me in mind of Thai Boxing. But the problem with those guys is usually that their weight is too much on their hind legs. Manny is always coming forward, it's beautiful.

 

My own feeling is 20-30 at the moment. I no longer see any reason why Pacquiao shouldn't be considered an equal of Arguello or Chavez. I now rank him above Roy Jones.

 

I was very impressed by Pacquiao's performance last night. Under the circumstances of this bout, that was one of the best performances this decade. Pacquiao was in the ring with the most dangerous opponent he has ever faced, but if anyone was in danger it was his opponent.

I stated before the fight that if Cotto wants to win, he had to establish his jab. Cotto was successful in the first round, but was unable to sustain that success. Cotto did trouble Pacquiao with movement late in the fight. It seems as though Pacquiao cuts the ring off fairly well in one direction, but more or less follows his opponent in the other. This is an issue that must be addressed going into a bout with Mayweather, which all but inevitable at this point.

Mayweather loves to counter his opponent with power punches, so his jab is not often mentioned. Mayweather's jab is a formidable weapon. Mayweather will more than likely take notice of Cotto's troubling of Pac with footwork. I don't believe that Pacquiao can outpoint Mayweather without the assistance of knock downs. If Mayweather can make it to the final bell, he is almost a sure thing to be ahead. What Pacquiao can do is keep coming with those hard, fast shots from both sides, and hope to connect enough to drop or stop Mayweather. Floyd should be the betting favorite, but I would not rest easy on my money if I were to bet on him. Cotto looked to have a good thing going for him after round 1, but Pacquiao kicked into a different gear and busted him up over the rest of the fight.

 

No ****ing chance.

Armstrong beat contenders 73 times. He went 27-0 (26) in 1937 alone, or between that year and 1940, he went 59-1-1. He won three actual championships, not splintered titles, in three proper divisions, not interim weights.

Pacquiao's great, but Henry Armstrong is head and shoulders above him. Let's not pretend otherwise.

Now, I'm not one to drag down a great fighter just because he's new age, but I'm not going to overrate him either. I'm sure many of you are very excited, but it'll wear off.

We've seen this kind of thing before with Ray Leonard, except Leonard probably beat better fighters. Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez. Being as objective as I can, I rate the man at #21. Pacquiao would probably be #31.

 

Thank God the cavalry's arrived; I was becoming a bit alarmed by the general level of praise here, sweet_scientist aside.

Pacquiao is an indisputably great fighter; this morning proved that beyond all reasonable doubt. Off the top of my head, bearing in mind that I generally believe lists to be something resembling a waste of time, I'd say he's definitely cracked the top 35 at this point. If he were to beat Mayweather and/or Mosley without too much controversy, then we can talk higher.

It was his punch resistance that impressed me more than anything. Cotto hit him often and relatively hard for a good deal of the fight but Manny just walked through the shots as if they weren't landing.

 

It was a great performance, and you can't blame people for being excited I suppose. But clarity should arrive in time. At the moment, people may be forgetting that this isn't the greatest ever victory in boxing. I mean, Roberto Duran beat the #2 all-time welterweight. Henry Armstrong, as a practical lightweight, beat a #10-15 all-time pound-for-pound great for the welterweight title. Ezzard Charles went 3-0 against the fellow legend of his weight class.

And so on.