How does Tony Bellew beat Usyk?

Robney · Nov 6, 2018

kojak said: ↑

I'm going to sound like a hater. I'm not, but I'm going to look at this from a realistic perspective.

A lot is being made of Bellews boxing brain and thinking attributes. I admit he talks a good game and clearly knows his stuff but doing things in practice against real world class fighters is totally different.

Here is what I look at when I think of this fight. I won't base performances at LHW as he was quite badly drained.

Fought Brudov on his Cruiserweight debut and was close to being stopped in round 7, although he dominated the fight. He was quite gassed in that fight. Who is Brudovs best win at cruiser?

Against Cleverley in the rematch, he was unable to get rid of him when he was on the ropes for circa 3-4 rounds. Again he was quite gassed. Fight wasn't exactly a drubbing but it also wasn't a split decision, should of been a UD for Bellew. Who is Cleverleys best win at Cruiser?

Good result against Masternak, I had it a round to Bellew I think, fight was razor close. Masternak is fringe world level I would say. Who is Masternaks best win?

Makabu was a good win, Bellew was floored in that fight but not seriously hurt but he wasn't putting on a boxing clinic either up until the stoppage.

BJ Flores, he was 37 years old when he fought Bellew. Whats his best win at cruiserweight and how long ago?

Haye x 2. Haye had 2 fights since 2012 when they fought in 2017 originally and after the fight it was quite clear he had an injury going into it. Was starting to lose rounds quite clearly until Hayes leg went and it took him circa 4-5 rounds to stop him on virtually one leg. Looked tired late on in the fight.

Second fight Haye could barely put any weight on his leg, especially going backwards. Got knockdown several times, got up twice.

(Fun fact - and to my surprise!) Bellew hasn't actually beaten a champion to win any of the belts he's won. Here's a list:

2010 - VACANT Commenwealth LHW title.
2011 - VACANT BBBoC British LHW title.
2012 - VACANT World Boxing Council International Silver LHW title.
2012 - VACANT World Boxing Council Silver title.
2014 - VACANT World Boxing Organisation International Cruiserweight title.
2015 - VACANT EBU European Cruiserweight title.
2016 - VACANT World Boxing Council Cruiserweight title.

Clearly just a coincidence / pure luck? I've never seen anything like it though.

Another fun fact (Jurgen will be having kittens) - This will be his 4th PPV fight.

Seriously whatever happens regardless in this fight, whoever said Bellew would be perfect for taking the lead for Eddie in promoting fights for Matchroom boxings expansion - I 100% agree he is the perfect person.

He's now 36 years old, which is quite old and I think he's going to struggle even more in the later rounds if it goes that far then he did 2-4 years ago against lesser competition. Even against Haye (first one) and Cleverley 2 he was very much gassed.

Compare this now to Usyks list of title wins and opponents at Cruiserweight - look at boxrec.

I'm not saying he can't win. I think most sane posters agree that if he does, it will likely be by KO or if Usyk gets some kind of freak injury.

I've seen posters saying where will he be in British all time great and P4P rankings and that he will be top 10 or even top 5.

One win doesnt automatically put you in that list, especially when you've never beaten any other champions for a title. I don't see anyone saying the same if Fielding beats Canelo!

It would certainly be in the top 10 all time British wins though.

My own thoughts on the fight are its probably cagey for the first 1-2 rounds after which Usyk starts to take over. Bellew will have some bursts of brief success but as the fight goes on Usyks work rate will look like it's increasing as Bellew starts to feel the pace.

At some point there may be a shot on the belt-line which Bellew reacts to as a low blow and overeacts (it wont be low-low but on the beltline).

Usyk takes over the second half of the fight and scores a late TKO stoppage between rounds 8-12 based on Bellew struggling with the pace.

Like Jurgen, I'll eat humble pie if im wrong and he pulls off the upset.

Some of the stuff people are coming out with though is delusional, mainly based off the Haye wins.
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This quite covers it. Great post!
There even are a couple of fun facts that I hadn't noticed before you mentioned it here.

nurological · Nov 6, 2018

kojak said: ↑

I'm going to sound like a hater. I'm not, but I'm going to look at this from a realistic perspective.

A lot is being made of Bellews boxing brain and thinking attributes. I admit he talks a good game and clearly knows his stuff but doing things in practice against real world class fighters is totally different.

Here is what I look at when I think of this fight. I won't base performances at LHW as he was quite badly drained.

Fought Brudov on his Cruiserweight debut and was close to being stopped in round 7, although he dominated the fight. He was quite gassed in that fight. Who is Brudovs best win at cruiser?

Against Cleverley in the rematch, he was unable to get rid of him when he was on the ropes for circa 3-4 rounds. Again he was quite gassed. Fight wasn't exactly a drubbing but it also wasn't a split decision, should of been a UD for Bellew. Who is Cleverleys best win at Cruiser?

Good result against Masternak, I had it a round to Bellew I think, fight was razor close. Masternak is fringe world level I would say. Who is Masternaks best win?

Makabu was a good win, Bellew was floored in that fight but not seriously hurt but he wasn't putting on a boxing clinic either up until the stoppage.

BJ Flores, he was 37 years old when he fought Bellew. Whats his best win at cruiserweight and how long ago?

Haye x 2. Haye had 2 fights since 2012 when they fought in 2017 originally and after the fight it was quite clear he had an injury going into it. Was starting to lose rounds quite clearly until Hayes leg went and it took him circa 4-5 rounds to stop him on virtually one leg. Looked tired late on in the fight.

Second fight Haye could barely put any weight on his leg, especially going backwards. Got knockdown several times, got up twice.

(Fun fact - and to my surprise!) Bellew hasn't actually beaten a champion to win any of the belts he's won. Here's a list:

2010 - VACANT Commenwealth LHW title.
2011 - VACANT BBBoC British LHW title.
2012 - VACANT World Boxing Council International Silver LHW title.
2012 - VACANT World Boxing Council Silver title.
2014 - VACANT World Boxing Organisation International Cruiserweight title.
2015 - VACANT EBU European Cruiserweight title.
2016 - VACANT World Boxing Council Cruiserweight title.

Clearly just a coincidence / pure luck? I've never seen anything like it though.

Another fun fact (Jurgen will be having kittens) - This will be his 4th PPV fight.

Seriously whatever happens regardless in this fight, whoever said Bellew would be perfect for taking the lead for Eddie in promoting fights for Matchroom boxings expansion - I 100% agree he is the perfect person.

He's now 36 years old, which is quite old and I think he's going to struggle even more in the later rounds if it goes that far then he did 2-4 years ago against lesser competition. Even against Haye (first one) and Cleverley 2 he was very much gassed.

Compare this now to Usyks list of title wins and opponents at Cruiserweight - look at boxrec.

I'm not saying he can't win. I think most sane posters agree that if he does, it will likely be by KO or if Usyk gets some kind of freak injury.

I've seen posters saying where will he be in British all time great and P4P rankings and that he will be top 10 or even top 5.

One win doesnt automatically put you in that list, especially when you've never beaten any other champions for a title. I don't see anyone saying the same if Fielding beats Canelo!

It would certainly be in the top 10 all time British wins though.

My own thoughts on the fight are its probably cagey for the first 1-2 rounds after which Usyk starts to take over. Bellew will have some bursts of brief success but as the fight goes on Usyks work rate will look like it's increasing as Bellew starts to feel the pace.

At some point there may be a shot on the belt-line which Bellew reacts to as a low blow and overeacts (it wont be low-low but on the beltline).

Usyk takes over the second half of the fight and scores a late TKO stoppage between rounds 8-12 based on Bellew struggling with the pace.

Like Jurgen, I'll eat humble pie if im wrong and he pulls off the upset.

Some of the stuff people are coming out with though is delusional, mainly based off the Haye wins.
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Youre not hating at all, just stating facts. Bellews wins over Haye have been taken so far out of context. People act like he beat a prime Haye.

If Bellew wins it will be one of the biggest upsets in British Boxing history if not world boxing history.

PaddyGarcia · Nov 6, 2018

kojak said: ↑

I'm going to sound like a hater. I'm not, but I'm going to look at this from a realistic perspective.

A lot is being made of Bellews boxing brain and thinking attributes. I admit he talks a good game and clearly knows his stuff but doing things in practice against real world class fighters is totally different.

Here is what I look at when I think of this fight. I won't base performances at LHW as he was quite badly drained.

Fought Brudov on his Cruiserweight debut and was close to being stopped in round 7, although he dominated the fight. He was quite gassed in that fight. Who is Brudovs best win at cruiser?

Against Cleverley in the rematch, he was unable to get rid of him when he was on the ropes for circa 3-4 rounds. Again he was quite gassed. Fight wasn't exactly a drubbing but it also wasn't a split decision, should of been a UD for Bellew. Who is Cleverleys best win at Cruiser?

Good result against Masternak, I had it a round to Bellew I think, fight was razor close. Masternak is fringe world level I would say. Who is Masternaks best win?

Makabu was a good win, Bellew was floored in that fight but not seriously hurt but he wasn't putting on a boxing clinic either up until the stoppage.

BJ Flores, he was 37 years old when he fought Bellew. Whats his best win at cruiserweight and how long ago?

Haye x 2. Haye had 2 fights since 2012 when they fought in 2017 originally and after the fight it was quite clear he had an injury going into it. Was starting to lose rounds quite clearly until Hayes leg went and it took him circa 4-5 rounds to stop him on virtually one leg. Looked tired late on in the fight.

Second fight Haye could barely put any weight on his leg, especially going backwards. Got knockdown several times, got up twice.

(Fun fact - and to my surprise!) Bellew hasn't actually beaten a champion to win any of the belts he's won. Here's a list:

2010 - VACANT Commenwealth LHW title.
2011 - VACANT BBBoC British LHW title.
2012 - VACANT World Boxing Council International Silver LHW title.
2012 - VACANT World Boxing Council Silver title.
2014 - VACANT World Boxing Organisation International Cruiserweight title.
2015 - VACANT EBU European Cruiserweight title.
2016 - VACANT World Boxing Council Cruiserweight title.

Clearly just a coincidence / pure luck? I've never seen anything like it though.

Another fun fact (Jurgen will be having kittens) - This will be his 4th PPV fight.

Seriously whatever happens regardless in this fight, whoever said Bellew would be perfect for taking the lead for Eddie in promoting fights for Matchroom boxings expansion - I 100% agree he is the perfect person.

He's now 36 years old, which is quite old and I think he's going to struggle even more in the later rounds if it goes that far then he did 2-4 years ago against lesser competition. Even against Haye (first one) and Cleverley 2 he was very much gassed.

Compare this now to Usyks list of title wins and opponents at Cruiserweight - look at boxrec.

I'm not saying he can't win. I think most sane posters agree that if he does, it will likely be by KO or if Usyk gets some kind of freak injury.

I've seen posters saying where will he be in British all time great and P4P rankings and that he will be top 10 or even top 5.

One win doesnt automatically put you in that list, especially when you've never beaten any other champions for a title. I don't see anyone saying the same if Fielding beats Canelo!

It would certainly be in the top 10 all time British wins though.

My own thoughts on the fight are its probably cagey for the first 1-2 rounds after which Usyk starts to take over. Bellew will have some bursts of brief success but as the fight goes on Usyks work rate will look like it's increasing as Bellew starts to feel the pace.

At some point there may be a shot on the belt-line which Bellew reacts to as a low blow and overeacts (it wont be low-low but on the beltline).

Usyk takes over the second half of the fight and scores a late TKO stoppage between rounds 8-12 based on Bellew struggling with the pace.

Like Jurgen, I'll eat humble pie if im wrong and he pulls off the upset.

Some of the stuff people are coming out with though is delusional, mainly based off the Haye wins.
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Perfect. Thought through and with evidence, not baseless conjecture like much of the content here.

mstar · Nov 6, 2018

its clear what bellew wants to do he wants to cut the distance to Usyk. Eastern european fighters are not known for inside fighting (as ward demostrated), and Ward has been in conversations with bellew and i am sure that is the plan at some point.

People underestimate Bellew is a good inside fighter when he has too. I am sure this is the plan, on the outside he has no chance. Problem is he may need to take 1-2 shots to get inside and thats the intrigue in the fight. Bellew said he will be down on the cards but he will catch up with him (i take this as going inside when usyk tires a little late) and then let go with the body shots and LOW BLOWS.

PaddyGarcia · Nov 6, 2018

mstar said: ↑

its clear what bellew wants to do he wants to cut the distance to Usyk. Eastern european fighters are not known for inside fighting (as ward demostrated), and Ward has been in conversations with bellew and i am sure that is the plan at some point.

People underestimate Bellew is a good inside fighter when he has too. I am sure this is the plan, on the outside he has no chance. Problem is he may need to take 1-2 shots to get inside and thats the intrigue in the fight. Bellew said he will be down on the cards but he will catch up with him (i take this as going inside when usyk tires a little late) and then let go with the body shots and LOW BLOWS.
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Not going to happen. Usyk has demonstrated elite stamina. Bellew has been blowing every time he's gone 12 with someone with a pulse.

DON1 · Nov 6, 2018

DirtyOldTown said: ↑

No, but Bellew isn't a better boxer than Usyk.
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We will see on saturday.

YearZero · Nov 6, 2018

Usyk will wipe the floor with the Bellend.

Judge 1 · Nov 6, 2018

Remember when Bellew said that Haye hadn’t fought a live opponent for years well the same now applies to him because Haye was shot to bits when they fought Usyk will school Bellew then stop him before 8th come on Usyk

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