How does Tyson beat Ali?

Mike against the Ali of the 60s gets schooled hard, backed up several times, hurt bad in the late rounds, lumped up and ultimately a comfortable UD for MA in 15.

I think Mike against the Ali of the FOTC is a GREAT fight, possible knockdown of Ali. Being that the FOTC Ali was sitting into his punches more, I see him getting knocked down, then coming back and stopping Mike in 15.

 

Taking into account the way FOTC Ali toyed, trolled and all the other nonsense he did in this bout, he might very well find himself on his ass at some point. He´d better find himself on the canvas not to early in the round and better clear his head quickly, otherwise he´d join the "Holmes route"

 

Good points, but I see the under-30, undefeated FOTC Ali as being far more skilled and capable than the 38-year old. twice defeated (second time robbed) and inactive Holmes who fought Tyson.

I'll bet you do, too

 

Yes it is, Tyson wins every time.

You're clueless.Tyson was more skilled than Ali and had far better fundamentals, so no, he was not flawed at all.

Tyson cleaned up the division. Just cause you're clueless, it doesn't mean they weren't of note.
Tyson beat world champions and top contenders: ATGs Larry Holmes and Michael Spinks, Trevor Berbick, James 'Bonecrusher' Smith, Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tucker, Tyrell Biggs, Tony Tubbs, Frank Bruno, Razor Ruddock.

None of this matters in a H2H debate.

Nobody disputes that, but that's irrelevant to a hypothetical matchup.

So what ?! Ali simply tricked him and the Foreman punched himself out in the scorching heat of Zaire.
Jimmy Young also beat Foreman, it doesn't mean ****.

An older Foreman was way harder to KO than the younger version.
And it wasn't the "same Holyfield" that beat Tyson, it was a bigger and more roided Holyfield. And it was a shadow of what prime Tyson was.
And again, this doesn't mean **** to this debate. Your posts show you're clueless about boxing.
When you have a hypothetical H2H matchup, you look at the stylistic matchup and what each boxer brings to the table.
Ali is tailor made for Tyson.

 

Tyson would have solid chance. Ali faced many powerful punchers, strong guys. Some great ones but the bottom line is the quickness of Tyson. Was he as quick as Ali? Probably not but the speed gap was usually much wider especially against a Foreman or Liston, Shavers etc.
Mike Tyson was unique in that he brought a combination of speed and quickness as well as skills. Let's face it..his punching technique was nice. Combinations, you name it.
I suspect Ail has the wrong style to beat Tyson particularly in a first encounter. Ali was pretty smart and he may find an adjustment for a rematch, perhaps even win a series but I think Tyson shocks him in fight 1.
All you kids out there..Mike Tyson wasn't the GOAT or unbeatable even prime but take Teddy Atlas with a grain of salt. When he was good and leather was flying he was formidable.

 

This is a fight I've always seen as 50/50 or 55/44 slightly in Ali's favor. If i were pushed I'd say Ali wins a decision, but he'd be nearly pushed to his limit doing so, although he was already pushed to his limit against Frazier so it's not anything he's never done before.

Because of the way i saw Tyson struggle with James Tillis, i just can't favor him. Although i can still see him stopping Ali. You can bring up that Ali struggled with Ken Norton and Joe Frazier but he was well past it. Mike Tyson was a pressure fighter, but he was not like Frazier, he pressured from more of a distance compared to Frazier. Frazier was on Ali's ass all night and was constantly working on the inside. This is something Mike Tyson doesn't usually do and fires from mid range a lot more and clinches when he gets on the inside. Mike Tyson will fire off combinations coming into the pocket but he won't constantly infight like a Holyfield or a Frazier. Ali would have more breathing room again Mike Tyson and thus he'd land more at range and be more mobile while doing it

You can literally compare it yourself. Similar
but different opponents.

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Good post. Agree with much of it. At the same time we can agree Tyson had the gift of speed to pull it off at midrange. Quickness moving in and quickness of his hands not to mention a threat from both sides of the plate.

 

Tyson beats that Ali with ease. That Ali no longer had the footspeed to run from Tyson, and without that he's dead meat.

 

Ali lacks the power to ever KO Tyson.

 

Prime Ali or any version of Ali for that matter is technically flawed, so in a 12 round fight, Tyson is gonna nail him eventually.
Also, the fight will be refed by an impartial judge, who won't let Ali clinch excessively.

 

Mike Tyson is technically flawed. Stands square up close, drops his hands and can be pushed backwards and hit when resetting.

This whole technically flawed absolute thing is redundant and always has been. Ali was technically inconsistent but low hands, head and hand feints was part of his style. Sometimes, the savants, use stylistic unorthodoxy as a means to bypass technique - whilst they have the speed and legs to do so, Ali, Roy, Pernell, Camacho etc. they trounce fighters that are technically more consistent/by the book. I can demonstrate footage of Ali blocking with forearms, elbows and shoulder, parrying jabs, blocking hooks to body and head, showing technically proficient footwork.

Tyson will catch Ali and Ali will hit Tyson. Ali will always clinch and talk to Tyson. Across both men's careers, from what I can deduce about when they're put in with elite threat, I back Ali.

 

Tyson is bad match up for Ali. He was stronger than Frazier, faster of foot and hand and harder to hurt. Tyson chases Ali forcing Ali to constantly clinch. Which will give Tyson edge on cards. Ali has his moments but I think 1988 Tyson wins 8-4 7-5 type of fight.

 

It's not certain Ali prevails but you have zero idea of what you are talking about lets be honest.

 

Here's Larry Holmes thoughts -


We also hit Holmes with a question about the ultimate dream fight --Muhammad Ali vs. Mike Tyson -- in their primes ... and asked who'd win.

"Mike Tyson would get beat up 'cause he's a face fighter. He comes in down low, and Muhammad Ali is a jabber," Holmes says ... "He'd get that jab in there just like he did with Joe Frazier. So, Mike Tyson would have to get around that jab, and he'd have a lot of problems getting around that jab."

"Mike Tyson would've been knocked out by Muhammad Ali."

 

Holmes was a great champion, but he's an arrogant man who talks complete nonsense most of the time.
There is literally ZERO chance Ali will ever KO Tyson. ZERO !!!