How does Tyson do?

tyson clears itnobody with the size and style to stop him. But inevitably someone will say that this or that fighter will beat him because he is not afraid of him :roll:.

 

If Tyson fought all of Rocky's opponents at the same time frame as Rocky did, Tyson would have beaten them all.

 

I think that he would do prety much as he did in his own early career on his way up to the title tearing through the division like a tornado.

Rex Layne gets smashed.

Old Louis puts up a brave fight but is overwhelmed.

Matthews gets Spinksed.

Walcott probably poses a serious obstacle to his ambitions but lets say that he gets past him. If he gets past this point then it is a race as to whether Tyson falls apart before we run out of Marciano oponents.

Ultimately I think that his personal deamons will get the better of him after he has won the title. Once he looses that hunger he is headed for a beating. It just might take a little longer without James Douglas around.

 

If we're talking about the very best opponents Rocky fought, which are presumably Walcott, Charles, Moore, Cockell, Lastarza, Mathews, Layne and Louis ( old ), then I think Tyson basically cleans house without too much trouble.

 

Yeah but if he hadnt fought Douglas we would pick evan an unfocused Tyson to beat him without too much trouble.

Once a champion looses focus and stops training there are lots of pitfalls and it dosnt always take a great fighter.

 

It is interesting to point out that LaStarza fought Marciano with exactly the same strategy as Holyfield fought Tyson. Of course, LaStarza has neither the strength nor the power and ability of Evander, but i think he could give Tyson some trouble nonetheless.

 

I think that when we match great fighters across eras we are generally assuming that they are at their best.

 

I don't think anyone could beat him until Liston

 

Apparently all you have to do is stand up to tyson and 'not be intimidated' and you can beat him clearly :roll:

 

Agreed.

I see Tyson tearing through the division at first and winning the title, but the guy was, and is, a headcase.

 

they said the same thing AFTER foreman had lost to ali
hindsight is wonderful

 

Excellent point... clearly this was the downfall of Tyson before his own 'prime' being reached..

'Iron Mike' was devastating, a complete destructive machine that must be avoided by all slow moving larger/smaller/midsized H/W's.. until he self-imploded.

Tyson's speed was incredible. Unorthodox in style to say the least, combined with fantastic defensive evasiveness... very hard to tag.

His lack of self awareness was to become his hardest opponent. Too many idealists around him.... with too many negative influences.

 

I think when you use the phrase 'in X's era' that, to the contrary, the assumption is that the match-ups are taking place over a certain period of time, and that one can not assume the fighter is constantly at his peak; rather, that the consistency and longevity (or lack of) that a boxer shows in his own time is evidence to the consistency and durability he might evidence in another time. (On this count -- though I like Marciano very much -- I find some fault with people who've argued that, of Ali's opponents, only Liston, Frazier and Foreman would be threats for Marciano; for -- in dismissing the Norton's and Young's -- they seem to presume that Marciano could fight near his peak from 1964 through 1976).


Another issue (not really specified here) is whether fighter 'Y', in 'X's' time, has exactly the mental and physical assets and liabilities he had in his own time, or whether 'Y's' assets/liabilities would be modified by the environment of 'X's' time. I think either scenario can be validly discussed.


Another factor -- perhaps a very big factor -- is how we are temporally juxtaposing Tyson with Marciano. Are we putting an '86 Tyson -- starting to move up into bigger names -- in '51, when Marciano made his move? Or are we birthing him at the same time as Marciano? And then you get into WWII, and whether he, like Marciano, have done military service, and how that might effect his career.


However, I suspect, by the idea of the same era, we mean that they're making their big move at about the same time. On that basis, I favor Tyson over Marciano opponents through the Cockell fight -- Walcott and Charles live underdogs -- but narrow odds against Moore. Even chance against Marciano from '51 through '54, Marciano favored if they rematch after that.

 

Let's face it fellas. A prime hungry focused Tyson under the tutelage of Cus D'Amato and Kevin Rooney crushes the aforementioned fighters, all of which are too small and too slow to stand up to this modern threshing machine.