How does Usyk do against these past great heavyweights in their primes?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by SergioJ91, Aug 13, 2022.

  1. SergioJ91

    SergioJ91 Member Full Member

    Dec 12, 2021
    In no particular order -

    Muhammad Ali
    Joe Louis
    Larry Holmes
    Rocky Marciano
    George Foreman
    Joe Frazier
    Lennox Lewis
    Evander Holyfield
    Riddick Bowe
    Mike Tyson
    Jack Dempsey
    Jersey Joe Walcott
    Sonny Liston
    Ken Norton
    Wladimir/Vitali Klitschko
  2. senpai

    senpai Well-Known Member Full Member

    May 18, 2021
    He has a chance to beat every single HW in history, just because of his footwork, stamina and ring IQ.

    Past HW has very poor defence and are just rough guys with power, which is Usyks bread and butter.
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  3. Guerra

    Guerra Active Member Full Member

    May 23, 2020
    Funny thing is of AJ catches him in round 3 next week and ko's him this and future threads will end up way different.
    Then suddenly Rahman or Marciano would be favoured over him
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  4. Themessiah

    Themessiah El Jefe Full Member

    Feb 1, 2021
    I think he would beat Dempsey, Vitali, Walcott (tricky fight), Rocky (especially in a 12 rounder)
    Lennox and Mike would probably win by stoppage. Vladimir would be a boring fight where Usyk gets pushed around
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  5. senpai

    senpai Well-Known Member Full Member

    May 18, 2021
    Not a problem.

    I don't care about that. I was one of few, who was saying that Usyks gonna win with very big margin.

    That's casual way of thinking. follow the trend, without thinking or analyzing.

    According to many, Usyk was "bossing" Wlad in the camp for Fury.

  6. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Active Member Full Member

    Nov 24, 2019
    Usyk can beat all the mentioned fighters, they are not better than him in any way, but of course nostalgic people will always prefer old fighters...
  7. AdamT

    AdamT Well-Known Member Full Member

    Sep 18, 2019
    Fighters he definitely doesn't beat imo


    I would favour Frazier, but not confident with that
    Pick like the others

    I haven't seen enough of Liston other than his days as champ, but I would back a prime Liston too
  8. Fogger

    Fogger Well-Known Member Full Member

    Aug 9, 2021
    Usyk would finish under .500 if he fought once against each of them. His easiest win would be Norton who is about as overrated as any heavyweight in history. He would also beat Jersey Joe who wasn't 49-20 because of bad luck. Dempsey, Frazier, Marciano, Holyfield and Bowe would be good fights based styles, talent level and match ups. Usyk would lose to the rest.

    By the way, for those who weighed under 200 such as Dempsey and Marciano, my thought on this is that they were fighting the cruiserweight version of Usyk.
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  9. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jan 10, 2007
    Rahman? Hm, definitely no. He was as average as they come. I mean, prime Rahman brealy beat shot 40 y.o. cruiserweight Al Cole who was inferior to Usyk in everything even in his prime. And prime Rahman was battered by shot Hollyfield
  10. ShortRound

    ShortRound Active Member banned Full Member

    Jun 6, 2022
    How many good southpaws did the fighters on this list fight?

    Because if they never fought a good southpaw or even a southpaw at all (and probably sparred few to none either) I don't see how you can favour them over the CW + HW SOUTHPAW GOAT.

    The only ones who fought several good southpaws are Holyfield, Vitali and Wlad.

    Holyfield went 1-3 against LHW Moorer, LHW Byrd and CW Sultan. Even egotistical Holyfield admitted that "in this era" Usyk would win.

    Vitali lost to LHW Byrd on injury while ahead on points, though he wasn't able to dominate the exchanges. Bodes poorly against Usyk.

    Wlad lost to power puncher Sanders but did beat LHW Byrd x2, Thompson x2, CW Sultan, CW Chagaev. Wlad had the most power of all the fighters on your list and was probably the best pointfighter. So combined with his vast southpaw experience, he would have a decent chance against Usyk.
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  11. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot "A day without sunshine is like, you know, night." Full Member

    Mar 5, 2012
    Vitaly Wladimir Lewis and Ali beat him the rest I have no idea
  12. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 Full Member

    Nov 22, 2014
    P4P he is better than all of them. H2H only a few SHW's Would be a problem due to the size gap.
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  13. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Aug 16, 2018
    Excellent post! Dead on.
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  14. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jul 4, 2014
    I think he beats most and has a chance against any, but I admit we are low on data for me to make the case.

    Look, he is 6'3", fight at over 220, a technical southpaw master, fast, great defense, iron chin, can throw almost a 1000 a fight when he wants, and can turn on the power when he fells like it. He hasn't got a actual weakness. Are there guys who are bigger and hit harder? Sure. Prime Ali was faster. But yeah, the best southpaw heavy of all time has a shot at any fight.
  15. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    May 22, 2011
    What past heavyweights are you referring to?