How does Usyk do against these past great heavyweights in their primes?

He’s had 3 PRO fights at HW.

I’m not taking into account 3 round amateur fights.

Beterbiev also fought at HW in the amateurs.

 

He would beat them all apart from Lennox. Usyk would get ko’d

 

He's fought nineteen (19) heavyweights in his career. That's if you don't count WSM fights.

 

These are just horribly ignorant posts.

How can we even take you seriously??

You don’t think that a fight with Ali would even have been competitive, based on the grounds that Ali hadn’t fought many southpaws, and that Usyk apparently has 50 years worth of more knowledge and science on his side?

GTFO you absolute fool.

You’re just going to ignore the fact that Ali was a GREAT HW?

A great HW, with electric hand speed, the quickest foot speed that we’ve ever seen, with cat like reflexes, with a highly unorthodox style?

A guy who proved himself over 20 years, against an array of different styles?

A guy who had the heart of a lion and a great chin?

Then there’s the actual stylistic match up to focus on.

Yes, Usyk could absolutely have beaten Ali. But to say that it wouldn’t have been competitive, just shows your glaring lack of knowledge.

It would have been a chess match.

They’d have gone feint for feint.

Whilst Ali had never encountered a guy as technically skilled as Usyk, Usyk has also never encountered any fighter with Ali’s unique style and mobility.

Ali’s speed would have caused Usyk huge issues.

If you think it would have been a mismatch then you’re absolutely delusional.

The only thing that’s farcical here, is your complete lack of understanding.

 

Great.

Andy Ruiz beat Joshua who ended the career of Wladimir Klitschko, who was one of the longest reigning champions in the divisions history.

 

The opponents in question were also great.

History has proven to us that not every great fighter can overcome EVERY style.

You’ve got be very naive if you really believe that Usyk could have gone undefeated against every ATG HW in history.

Again, everybody has a stylistic nemesis.

Did you see the Mairis Briedis fight at CW?

Usyk barely beat him.

Yet you have him beating every great HW before him, where he’d have just magically have overcome EVERY difficult stylistic match up?

No.

It’s completely unrealistic.

Nobody is unbeatable.

Roy Jones wouldn’t have beaten every fighter in history from MW-LHW.

Floyd Mayweather wouldn’t have beaten every fighter in history from LW-JMW.

Prime versions of Ali, Tyson and Lennox couldn’t have beaten every HW in history.

Neither could Usyk.

He’s not Superman.

 

He can turn it up a notch, but again, it wouldn’t have been enough against some of the greats of the past.

 

Nobody is disputing these points.

They’re all fine points.

Yes, of course it would have been a factor that those great fighters had never fought a southpaw, or one as great as Usyk.

It’s a highly relevant point.

I respect it.

What I don’t respect, is that the guy has been completely ignorant all throughout the thread, where he’s clearly being biased and told untruths due to his agenda.

Again, there’s also many other factors to consider, which I have listed and he’s ignored.

 

ShortRound,

Once again, I respect the above, but they can still be favoured for OTHER reasons too.

Instead of just focusing on one factor, you need to look at every other relevant factor too.


Factors such as:

Looking at how the 2 fighters would realistically have matched up stylistically on the night.

Looking at who Usyk has and hasn’t fought.

Looking at his history, and seeing if he encountered any stylistic difficulties, or came up against a fighter with the same attributes etc.

His experience/lack of experience in the pro division.


It all needs looking at.


So whilst it’s true that guys like Mike and Lennox never beat a great southpaw, it’s also true that a guy with only 3 pro HW fights to his name, has also never encountered anyone like Mike or Lennox before either.

The fact is: He went life and death with Breidis in a pressure fight at CW.

So imagine the shock he’d have had facing a prime version of Mike Tyson.

Nothing in his career could have prepared him for that.

So the lack of experience works both ways.

Again, I would still have favoured Mike based on styles.

Again, Usyk has never seen a guy with Mike’s attributes, and has struggled with a fighter who had nowhere near the same level of ability.

Absolute BS.

It’s not a fantasy, and Mike would not only have had a small window in order to have gotten him out of there.

This is why it’s impossible to debate with you.

You are completely biased.

I’m sick of saying this, but I am genuinely a huge fan of Usyk’s. However, he’s not Superman, or immune to a bad stylistic match up.

Once again, he barely beat Briedis.

That is a fact.

Go and watch the fight.

It was a fight fought at close quarters, and he didn’t pull away down the stretch and win a wide decision.

You say that Ali went life and death with Mildenburger, when the very definition of going life and death and having a tough fight, is Usyk vs Briedis.

You have no idea if Usyk could ride out Mike’s pressure. Mike had a unique style, where he was incredibly aggressive, with great hand speed, and one punch knockout power in either hand.

Mike proved that he could go 12 hard rounds at a very fast pace if needed.

Again, Usyk is a great technician. But he didn’t have anything to deter Mike from pressuring him.

There’s absolutely no reason why Mike couldn’t have backed him up, and fought him on the inside to have won a decision.

AJ would have beaten most of the greats of the past?

Really?

Based on what?

He doesn’t like to be pressured and he has stamina issues.

He was run over by a B level, obese HW when he was in his prime.

Yet he’d have beaten most of the ATG HW’s of the past, whilst they were prime??

I don’t think so.

List them for me.


Chisora would have beaten his fair share of great HW’s too?

This doesn’t even warrant a response.


You are clearly trolling.

It’s just you being biased and nothing more.

It’s quite clear what you’re doing.

All of those guys proved to be credible HW’s.

You thought that by referring to them as being LHW’s etc, it strengthened your argument. But it doesn’t. It actually weakens it.

 

There is no truth to your garbage posts.

Ali didn’t go life and death with Karl Mildenburger. And the fact that you keep saying this, just weakens your credibility, and proves to everyone that you never saw the fight.

You can’t be taken seriously when you have such an obvious agenda.

You can’t debate objectively.

You just embarrass yourself more with each post that you make.

You never saw the Mildenburger fight, and you also don’t realise that he’d fought just one month prior to that on his European tour.

Your posts don’t contain any logic or context.

If you want to debate upon BoxRec stats, then you go ahead. But if you don’t think that a fight with Ali would even have been competitive, then you might as well do us all a favour and log off.

 

It works both ways, genius.

You can say anything.

I could say:

“Usyk has never fought or beaten a guy of Holmes’ calibre, yet I’m sure that he’d have made him look foolish, based on the fact that Holmes had never beaten a southpaw before”

You are the one who’s been ignorant here.

You can keep posting these types of sarcastic comments, but you’d be better suited to looking at all of the relevant factors instead of just focusing on the one which you are obsessing over.

 

I despair.

I can only hope for your own sake that you are trolling.

Can this garbage even be classed as a post??


Mike couldn’t have imposed himself physically on Usyk?

A one dimensional Tyson?

Mike would only have had a small punchers chance?

Ha!


Time for you to turn it in and go and watch another sport.

 

Look at the gems that he’s provided us with:


“An Ali fight wouldn’t even have been competitive”

“AJ would have beaten the majority of the ATG HW’s”

“Chisora would have beaten his fair share too”

“Ali went life and death with Mildenburger”

“Tyson would only have had a small punchers chance”


We have to assume that he’s trolling.