How does Usyk fare against the big three?

You easily have the lowest IQ on the internet.

You can't copy and paste a URL link into a browser, even using your phone (is it a Nokia 3310?)

And you can't even write a proper reply to any of my points.

 

Yep, Huck was competitive with povetkin but got brutally koed by Briedis. Same with Charr.

 

Wilder can't cope with these kinds of skills.

Fury's height , length and movement is too much in a very boring fight.

Joshua likely just too big and powerful. It's interesting because Joshua could very easily be outboxed....but it only takes one shot...

 

then you are lost, truly. I have never heard someone use amateur exp as a major force to argue for professional boxing world level pedigree

 

Probably because its common sense, your mother doesn;t tell you to look right and left when you cross the road.

Boxing in the amateurs is like boxing in the professionals, it is the same discipline.

Luis has over 300 amateur bouts and as a result he is punch perfect. Perfect technique, power, delivery, speed, accuracy... Wilder is a white belt by comparison.

Luis has been throwing jabs, uppercuts and crosses longer than Wilder had... in world level boxing bouts.

World Olympic silver medalist mate.

 

How can we know yet?

 

The problem is the four need to fight each other the way Hagler, Leonard, Duran and Hearns did.

We have only see Fury vs Wilder. A bogus draw.

Okay, what about the other matchups?!

 

louis might be superior to wilder sure. but thats reverse reasoning, we are looking for validation of wilders world success.... claiming that ortiz is his world success BECAUSE wilder is his world success is circular, and facetious. That would be enough if the question I posed wasnt directed to Ortiz's world title pedigree BEFORE he fought wilder.

Maybe wilder will do it one day, it remains to be seen.

 

You originally said:

"noone expects a 40 year old to expose anyone. they are fights for prospects IF they have some former pedigree, Ortix had none"

I have proved Ortiz did have a substantial pedigree, and when the pedigree term gets used... it means boxing experience, typically amateurs or Olympics.

Now you know.

Secondly, people DID expect Ortiz to expose Wilder. Because people said... "Watch when Ortiz exposes Wilder" a few dozen, trillion... times on this forum, on and on the internet.

Either you admit this or I will have to start quoting the classic vietnam archetype "You weren't there man!" at you.

I was there.... man.

 

i see your error. no, i wrote pedigree becos you quoted wlad as an oldie. he has pro pedigree, that why i used wlad... which separates him from ortiz (altohugh not a vast amount)

now u know.

 

Right you know, I've completely lost track of what we were supposed to be discussing. I believe my original point I was trying to get across was Wilder has no pedigree of note compared to the boxing experience of Ortiz... and this is reflected in the skill and talent that Ortiz possesses over Wilder.

The above, coupled with the fact that Ortiz has heavy hands which landed in barrages on Wilders chin to no effect.

I say no effect because Wilder was dazed but still fully coherent, and did not hit the deck. He calmly walked back to his corner when the bell rang unaided. In contrast with Ortiz who hit the deck several times promting the entire contest to be paused while Ortiz recovered his senses and stood up.

So Ortiz age wasn't the deciding factor as he landed, and Wilder was wide open and ate all of Ortiz' best shots.

Usyk stands no chance to do deal anymore damage than Ortiz to Wilder, but Wilder can and he will end Usyk with one punch.

Because Usyk does not move any better than Fury or elude punches any better than Fury can... Fury who also had a reach and height advantage over Fury... so that puts Usyk at another disadvantage in being outreached and outgunned by Wilder .

Good day to you sir, I have finalised my points we can agree, or we can disagree. My time in this thread is over.

 

usyk will clown wilder

 

I’m interested to see. I think he’s a better fighter than all of them, but he’s a lot smaller and doesn’t have a big punch. Though he could be another Holyfield in the making? I wouldn’t be surprised to see him step up and face Joshua or Wilder before the face each other.

 

Plus he`s an inch taller than Holy was.

 

Maybe but Usyk has brilliant offensive tools and will land more on Wilder than Fury did, Fury was negative v Wlad and Wilder than Usyk has been in his fights, he`s more offensive minded.