How Dominant would Mike Tyson Have Been..?

Your cardio vascular system doesn't give a damn if you are overwieight because you have too much muscle or too much fat. It needs to work overtime regardless. Sometimes it's even more taxing when you have too much muscle.

 

Fat is just dead weight, and muscle contributes to athleticism. Fat does not. cardiovascuar demands of large muscles doesn't apply to Tyson. Prime Tyson could go 12 rounds just fine and a muscular body will generally do better at intense conditioning than a fat one, but it mostly has to do with the training, your body will conform to your training.

Tyson didn't have excessive muscle mass in regards to his genetics like a bodybuilder, he was naturally a stocky person with speed. If anything Tysons explosive style is what contributed to any fatigue that took place in the late rounds.

 

I agree, everybody is build different, it's just the way the body works.

 

You DKSAB, clearly. Tyson couldn't "walk through" guys like Smith, Tillis and Tucker. Mitch Green took him the distance FFS. There's not a single guy in Tyson's "prime" that I would not favour a best version of Joshua over, and that includes the mythical "Tokyo Douglas".

Maybe you need to rewatch Wilder / Fury 3.

You'd better polish Mike's ballsack until it gleams.

Ah yes, Lou Savarese, Wilder's clone from the 90's. How could I forget him

 

Tucker fought a smart defensive tactical fight and is a far better than Wilder skills wise.

Smith clinched like an octopus and didn't even try and win.

Green fought to survive like Smith.

Tillis used mobility.

Wilder has no relevance to either of these fights he hasn't got the skills or mobility nor would he be clinching looking to survive.

Wilder would be trying to engage Tyson in a shoot out because he has limited skills and relies mostly on his right hand power and that's the only way he can win.

The issue is Tyson takes a better single shot than most Heavyweights so 1 shot wouldn't get Tyson out of there and he would simply beat up Wilder by being the superior fighter.

Tyson never had an issue vs power punchers.

As for Tyson's opponents Thomas, Bruno, Douglas, would all have a decent chance of beating Joshua.

 

Wilder is more "power puncher" than anybody Tyson ever faced. He turned out to have a great chin when it mattered. He's also got like 30lbs on Tyson if we are taking the Fury3 version. Yeah, I agree Tyson has better skills. But you'd better believe that Wilder might be an 'issue' for him to beat. Mike is not just arriving and blowing him away.

"Decent chance" = "would probably lose, but not for certain".

 

Where are you getting 30 pounds from ?

Tyson often weighed 220 Wilder was 238 vs Fury which is nowhere near 30 pounds difference.

The extra weight was not beneficial to Wilder who was gassed after a couple rounds vs Fury and then took a beating in the 2nd half of the fight.

Wilders best weight was always around 220s sometimes even lower the weight he had vs Fury the 3rd time was a rare occurrence.

No Tyson probably wouldn't blow Wilder away but I don't see that Wilder would have much chance of winning. Especially if he tried to come in heavy vs Tyson and then gassed he would be sitting duck vs Tyson in middle rounds who is a far harder hitter than Fury.

I'd say those opponents have more than a decent chance vs Joshua.

Thomas has a better jab than Joshua, a much better chin, and has the power to hurt him in exchanges.

Bruno is a KO artist like Joshua a fight between two KO artists who can be a bit vulnerable is a toss of coin.

A motivated Douglas also has a better jab than Joshua and has the skills to compete with him.

 

An interesting aside. I read many years ago that sometimes Mike would fall into an unspoken truce with his opponent and the Smith fight was the example used. Both Smith and Mike knew Mike would win, and probably in devastating form, but sometimes Mikey wasn't on point, poor training, banging hookers, carrying some kind of disease or a combination of all three and more. So, if his opponent played the survival game, Tyson wouldnt switch into top and it would almost become a public spar with both men's reputations remaining intact. This might have been the Jose Torres book, Fire and Fear, or it might have been any one of a myriad of articles written in the past as I was once a voracious reader of Boxing literature, but my memory is fading these days!!!

 

20lbs then. still not chump change. Ruddock was 228 and you could see Tyson felt the weight on the other side.

Gassed or got pounded? Regardless, he was very tough that fight and I think he'd handle Tyson's power too.

Sure, that sounds reasonable-ish. What I'm saying from the start is that even if Tyson won - and I definitely think Wilder has the power to sit Tyson down - it would not be easy. Flores seems to be one of the Tyson fanboys that imagines Mike knocks the other guy out during the ringwalk

I think Joshua is comparable in skills to all those guys ... but he has a serious size advantage to go with it. He had a fine jab when he used it and he had better reflexes than all of them.

 

This part is unfounded rubbish.

 

How about this, Tony Tucker beats aj. aj isn't stopping him, and he can't outbox him. Easy prediction. Spinks can also beat aj, because Joshua isn't anywhere near as skilled, as quick or as explosive as Mike Tyson. The fact Spinks dismantled Cooney and outboxed a prime Larry Holmes means ajs size and power isn't a get out of jail free card here, it's an argument of styles. An old Holmes beat an undefeated Mercer, he could beat aj, i mean, Joshua struggled with Jermaine Franklin and was getting outjabbed by an old Robert Helanius. Rewatch Joshua vs fringe contender takam. You think he is beating Tyson ?

Smith kept clinching, Tillis has better boxing ability than aj, Joshua got his ass beat by a fat midget and mentally folded to the pressure of ruiz, as well as folding to the pressure and power of Dubois. Tyson is all wrong, Aj doesn't box like Douglas either, rewatch him vs Parker, Joshua isn't as good as you believe. Joshua struggled with a 39 year old Povetkin who wasn't even pushing him back that hard, but you think a peak Tyson isn't walking through aj ? Gtfo.

He's more skilled than Wilder, all Tyson has to do is slip a right hand and come back. Wilder to put on skates by an old Eric Molina and can't fight on the backfoot. He doesn't have enough ranked wins compared to his losses

Maybe you need to stop ducking the facts, Wilder was past his prime and slow, muscle bound, and got stopped brutally in his last fight. The fact Fury struggled with him in fights 3 says more about Fury than it does Deontay.

 

How about this: AJ can outbox him and stop Tucker.

Easy prediction.

Cooney can't box and Spinks beat a faded Holmes. Fact is Spinks couldn't handle AJ's power just like he couldn't handle Tyson's.

Mercer is another slugger who didn't know what a jab was until halfway in his career Meanwhile

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Rewatch Tyson vs old man Tillis. You think AJ can't beat him?

"Peak" Tyson built his reputation knocking over a series of stiffs and old men. The moment somebody with some skill and grit stood up to him (Douglas) he came undone. Tyson couldn't even put away light-punching Tucker. Joshua combines size, skill with power Tyson has never seen before. He'd give Mike all he could handle.

You need to face the facts, Tyson hasn't faced a guy that throws a right hand missile like Wilder. Moreover, Wilder carries his power late, unlike Tyson. Fact is with that right hand Wilder has a chance against anybody, and that includes Tyson.

 

By "the rest" do you mean Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder??

 

Yeah, including Zhang, Parker and Dubois. I don't think AJ has the stones not to get overwhelmed by Tyson inevitably. Maybe he can keep him at bay for round 1 or 2 while cautious as possible, but he gets caught sooner than later and freezes, until the fight ending shot lands. Wilder will throw a right hand, miss, get hit with a shot to the ribs, and become a third rate poet.

I suspect Parker spoils his way to a decision loss, Dubois probably gets stopped at one point but makes a bit of a fight out of it, and Zhang dies of kidney failure.