How easily does Prime Muhammad Ali deal with his toughest opponents? (Below)

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  1. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How easily does he defeat them in his prime, or does he still have trouble?
    Ken Norton:
    Joe Frazier:
    Jimmy Young:
    George Foreman:
    Ron Lyle:
    Leon Spinks:
     
  2. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Might still lose to Norton and Frazier. Especially Norton. Norton was just his kryptonite.

    Stops Young, Foreman, Lyle, and Spinks.
     
  3. Rakesh

    Rakesh Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ken Norton: It's a style matchup, and would be just as hard as the actual fights. I think it would most likely be very visually similar to the 2nd fight.
    Joe Frazier: Again, probably a visual similar to the rematch, one thing I think should be considered is a 60s Ali did not have the clinching or inside brawling experience a 70s Ali had experience in. It is very possible a 60's Ali cannot dance the full 15, and is too inexperienced in the clinch to handle a FOTC Frazier.
    Jimmy Young: I would go with Ali by a wide decision, often taunting and making a show out of Jimmy. A grotesquely out-of-shape, far from prime, and 34 year old Ali was not completely outmatched by a prime Young (granted it was one of the worst fights I've ever seen in my life).
    George Foreman: I would go with Ali late TKO. I actually think Muhammad gets damaged quite badly in the mid-rounds, prime Ali did not have the experience and IQ he used in Zaire.
    Ron Lyle: Ali late rounds TKO, wide decision at most.
    Leon Spinks: Ali via TKO, Spinks was lucky to catch Muhammad in the stage he was in.
     
  4. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The only one I think the 1965-67 Ali would be underdog against would be Frazier. He would always have had to lose once to Frazier to appreciate his quality & work out how to best him IMO.

    Norton is still a difficult fight, but the speed is troublesome enough to keep Norton from winning eight rounds. Something like 8-1-6 Ali seems reasonable. He’d never have an easy time but he was significantly better in 1967 than he was in 1973, if not necessarily smarter.

    Foreman is interesting. I give him a chance to upset the apple cart here - albeit a small one. He will not be coming in under-done & with a bad shoulder & knee, ala Liston, & since Foreman is presumably the challenger here, he’ll be the hungrier man. It’s possible his ring-cutting skills & massive power could spring an upset, but you would bank on Ali’s speed & endurance being too much for him I think.

    Lyle gave a great account of himself against an older Ali, but he had trouble with speedsters & manoeuvrable foes - none embody these qualities better than Ali. I think he staggers & stops Lyle very late, but it’s nowhere near as competitive as their actual fight.

    Spinks’ corner would pull him out after nine or ten rounds. Totally overmatched, he wouldn’t win a round.