How easy is it place Louis above Ali???

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  1. Jack Dempsey

    Jack Dempsey Legend Full Member

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    I personally have always had Louis above Ali, but a lot has had this to do with my dislike for Ali if I'm honest, I'm not a fan, I realised his greatness but Joe always seemed to fit my ideal of a 'great' HW champ.

    Am I deluded or blinded by hatred? is it an easy thing to rate Louis above Ali in this day and age?

    I'll be honest and say I am finding it harder and harder to justify my position, I watch Ali, I see the opposition he beat, I watch the fights of the guys that he beat and I wonder, can you easily pick Louis above Ali?

    Ali looks so good on film, his level of opponent so high, whereas Louis has the 'bum of the month club' as a supposed mark against his name, yet beat so many former and future HW champs

    What is the classic sections opinion?

    Louis and Ali vying for the top? or not? easy to put Louis top or not, whats your rationale for having either fighter at 1 or 2?

    Cheers:D
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It does seem to be easy, for quite a lot of folks. I don't see it personally...probably you need to make loud noises about dominance.
     
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  3. Jack Dempsey

    Jack Dempsey Legend Full Member

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    God bless you McGrain, I was just about to send you a PM asking your opinion on my thread

    Is it easy for you?
     
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  4. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    Well, IMO, they are 1# and #2... they can be switched around and it wouldnt bother me so much.
    what bothers me is when people have lewis in the top 2
     
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  5. teeto

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    McGrain said it for me.
     
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  6. Jack Dempsey

    Jack Dempsey Legend Full Member

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    Ok so its about dominance, does that mean Louis for you?
     
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  7. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    No, I just meant that that's what people use as their argument, but it doesn't convince me personally. Ali is bona fide numero uno for me.
     
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  8. Jack Dempsey

    Jack Dempsey Legend Full Member

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    Thank you, but is it an easy no brainer for you? or do you really have to think about it?

    Where does Louis figure in your top 10?
     
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  9. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    He's number two, but Ali is definitely my number one. If you get me?
     
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  10. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It isn´t easy to put one of them above the other. Both are good choices for number one. I´m never able to split them. Neither is a Max Schmeling though.
     
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  11. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    In terms of dominance, you have to ask, how dominant was Louis against: Walcott, Schmelling, Conn, Goddoy, Farr?
     
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  12. Jack Dempsey

    Jack Dempsey Legend Full Member

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    I do, and I have no problem with people having Ali as number one, I just wonder in this day and age if there is an 'EASY' case to make Joe No1
     
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  13. Jack Dempsey

    Jack Dempsey Legend Full Member

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    But he beat them yes? he was clearly better in his return matches with certain fighters.

    My question remians though, is it an easy argument to say he was the better HW champ over Ali?
     
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  14. teeto

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    I don't think there should be personally. It's not a discredit to what Louis did, he's probably the greatest champion of all time, period. But champion discussions are nowhere near the be all and end all of this type of debate, and although Louis did what he did, and is my number two, he can't be my number one, through no fault of his own, what Ali did was greater imo.
     
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  15. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Borderline impossible.

    It's incredibly easy to place Ali at the top though, it just feels right.
     
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