How easy to become Undisputed middleweight champion.

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  1. UndisputedUK

    UndisputedUK Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know we have some good and bad times in the sport, but at one time we had Roy Jones, Michael Nunn, James Toney, Chris Eubank, Nigel Benn, Steve Collins etc at middleweight, Imagine what these would do today against the likes of:

    Sebastian Sbik (WBC Interim)
    Sebastian Sylvester (IBF)
    Felix Sturm (WBA)

    Benn would have smashed all of these within six months.

    Is this the worst lineup in the middleweights for a while?
    (I'm ignoring Pavlik here, Ring, WBC and WBO)

    Whats wrong?

    UndisputedUK
     
    UndisputedUK, Jan 16, 2010
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  2. damienf

    damienf Member Full Member

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    Its a shame that Roy Jones, Michael Nunn, James Toney, Chris Eubank, Nigel Benn, Steve Collins didnt all face each other, I would have loved to have seen Benn or Eubank v Jones or Toney
     
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  3. randeris

    randeris Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's just back and forth. Abraham and Taylor have moved up, Hopkins have moved up. We have alot of prospects + Pavlik, Williams and Martinez.
     
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  4. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    its important to recognize the difference between undisputed and lineal.
     
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  5. BrooklynMumin

    BrooklynMumin HOPKINS A " G " Full Member

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    uhh, jones did fight toney:patsch
     
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  6. randeris

    randeris Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I haven't seen anyone mix this up yet?
     
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  7. randeris

    randeris Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He said Benn OR Eubank vs Jones OR Toney, so relax with the :patsch smileys.
     
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  8. doylexxx

    doylexxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    u dumb.
     
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  9. Golden Boy 360

    Golden Boy 360 Boxing's Biggest Cash Cow Full Member

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    Pavlik is lineal champ i believe, to be undisputed he needs 2 more belts? someone correct me if im wrong
     
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  10. lewishamboy

    lewishamboy Styles Impetuous Full Member

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    HAHA U OWNED URSELF :patsch
     
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  11. aliviu_emilian

    aliviu_emilian Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Exactly, for example Lucian Bute is lineal champ at SMW now (according to both The Ring and Box Rec) but not undisputed.

    Why so many jump to say: no way, Bute is not No. 1 ? Who said he is undisputed?

    If professionals, and not from a single instutution, say he is, there is no doubt he really is.

    In my country is a saying: When two people say you`re drunk the first thing you have to do is to go to bed.
     
    aliviu_emilian, Jan 16, 2010
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  12. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    Not easy since you have promoters and the belts have commercial value.
     
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  13. nastynas

    nastynas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    IMO the division hasnt been particularly strong since Monzon/Bienvenuti/Griffith
     
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  14. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    If unifying was easy, it would have been done by more than 4 men. It has not.
     
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  15. Vengeance

    Vengeance Certified Headhunter Full Member

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    Incorrect. Bute is neither lineal nor undisputed... nor the Ring champion. As for Boxrec, who gives a ****?

    The Ring championship right now is vacant. Bute may be ranked #1 by the Ring, but that doesn't make him the Ring champ.

    The last lineal champ at 168 was Calzaghe. In order to become lineal champ, you gotta "beat the man that beat the man".. and since Calzaghe retired, the new lineal title is determined when the #1 ranked fighter fights the #2 ranked fighter and then the winner is the new lineal champion. That fight hasn't happened so there is no lineal champion at 168.

    Undisputed, lineal, and Ring are all different. And none of the three describe Bute right now. You can call him the Boxrec.com champion I suppose...
     
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