How effective is Brazilian Jiu Jitsu against wrestling

when people say this theyre referring to the tendency of wrestlers to dominate positioning (end up on top) and this is true. but this view also ignores a few key points of context.

 

not in my experience and again this goes back to what i was saying about passiveness and how a jiu jitsu player doesnt mind being on his back. it is taught and has great applications in jiu jitsu. but nowhere near as emphasised as it is with wrestling.

 

Wrestling > bjj, that is almost a proven fact. One need only look at just about every Matt Hughs fight to see why this is so. One need look at how the purple belt jon fitch beat bjj black belt bj penn twice and each fight they went to the ground multiple times. There's so many examples of wrestlers destroying BJJ practicioners it's not even funny.

 

but thats not straight wrestling is it.
thats wrestling + striking + bjj knowledge

heres what happens when straight wrestling meets straight jiu jitsu


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Matt hughes is not only a wrestler he's a great submission grappler too!
If you take the 2 arts and don't cross train then it's proven bjj > wrestling

 

There is no one in MMA that does 'straight wrestling' or 'straight bjj.' We're obviously talking about MMA today, not MMA 15 years ago. The point here is, a wrestler with minimal BJJ knowledge owns a bjj blackbelt 9 outta 10 times. If I were training MMA, I would learn wrestling and how to defend against submissions instead of learning BJJ.

 

Watch Gracie/Severn and there's your answer. Severn had a huge size and strength advantage and was no joke on the wrestling mat but he got tapped. Wrestlers who have no clue about BJJ will be owned because good positions in wrestling are not necessarily good at all in a fight against a BJJ player. On the other hand, if you give an already good wrestler a solid base in BJJ he becomes harder than hell to sweep or submit from guard because his whole athletic life has revolved around controlling and neutralizing opponents' movements from top position.

 

Ah, so even in respect to combat sports you talk out of your ass. Neato.

Jon Fitch is not a BJJ Purple Belt. He's a black belt.

Also, he's only fought B.J. Penn once and it was to a draw. He didn't fight him twice and he has never beat him (and never lost).

I think rusty can hand you your ass on the way out the door. Thank you and don't come again.

 

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maybe you should learn takedown defence instead of wrestling

 

I'll take the unpopular position and say that good wrestling is better than good bjj b/c it offers more options. For one, the overall physical benefit the results from becoming a good wrestler is better than what you get from bjj. There are exceptions going both ways, but in general I'd say that wrestlers are stronger, faster, and more explosive than bjj fighters.

Then that leads to another point: wrestlers control the ring better than bjj b/c of superior takedown, takedown defense, and escape abilities.

I know there are exceptions, but as a general rule, I think it's accurate.

 

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