HOW exactly could Marciano beat Tyson?

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  1. 'Ben'

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    As much as I love the Rock I just feel that Tyson's better speed, clear weight advantage, accurate combo's, incredible power and defence would just be too much for Rocky. I know he was incredibely tough and I would want him to win, but come on....
     
  2. 'Ben'

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    Maybe I shouldn't of done this thread on the guys anniversary?:patsch
     
  3. Unforgiven

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    Marciano would fight Tyson the same way he fought everyone else. Come forward, pressure, slug, fight, punch with authority. Not that he wasn't a thinking fighter - he was quick to pick up on what punches to use, and what pace would upset his opponents rhythm, he was tactical. But the general strategy remained the same.

    I'm not saying he beats Tyson, but I do think Tyson was sometimes uncomfortable on the inside, and - dare I say it - a bit amateurish there as well. Look at the way Tyson stands, he's a bit square-on inside and losing his strength through his stance. Guys like Marciano and Frazier had a bull-like stance on the inside, one leg bent behind the other, pushing forward in a strong position, head on the opponent's chest. Tyson looks off-balance on the inside and often unable to do much.
    If Marciano is to win, this is the area he'd capitalize on. Crowding Tyson, ducking in low, pushing Tyson back.

    but whoever wins, and however, it's a slugging match where either guy could knock the other out or beat him up.
     
  4. Muchmoore

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    I've always thought that Marciano would do better against Tyson than people think. Tyson was worse against guys his height, simply because he was used to fighting giants and his whole style was around slipping straight punches. He also wasn't comfortable on the inside, despite Tyson being the greatest midrange puncher of all time imo. Rocky is one of the best inside Heavyweights ever.

    However, Tyson has 25-30 pounds on the Rock and physically is simply too much for him. Apart from conditioning, Marciano has no physical edge on Iron Mike. The difference in speed would be apparent as well and I'd expect Tyson to stop him around 6-7. But stylewise Marciano has the edge and that would makes things interesting.
     
  5. he grant

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    The Tyson of Berbick - Spinks KO's , that's right, KO's Marciano in a few rounds. It is a terrible match up for Rocky for every obvious reason. This is why boxing has weight divisions.

    How many here would take Stanley Ketchel over Marciano ?
     
  6. 'Ben'

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    I'd have Rocky over Ketchel.

    But good points have been made. Tyson wasn't as good as marciano inside but obviously Tyson's pyhsical advantages (speed, size and power) would be too much for him.
     
  7. 'Ben'

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    Then again.... what would Tyson react like taking a Suzie Q from him? I guess it's wrong to rule him out completely with punching power and accuracy like that no?
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    Not Ketchel, but I might take the 165 pound Sam Langford over 188 Marciano.

    Prime for prime, I'd take Tyson at 217 over Vitali Klitchko at 250, for what it's worth.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    Of course it's wrong to rule Rocky out completely. Against ANYONE.
    He hit like a truck and his record speaks volumes. The guy was a winner.
     
  10. JIm Broughton

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    Gotta go with Tyson here. Bigger and faster...much faster. Mike could throw 4-5 punches in a row with exceptional speed for a man his size. And speaking of size Tyson would have nearly 30 pounds on Rocky and we're not talking fat pounds either. Mike was also used to fighting much bigger men than the opponents Rocky faced. Knocking out 175-195lb men isn't quite the same as facing the hw's that Mike faced..or Mike himself for that matter. What do you think a prime Tyson would've done with Charles or Moore or LaStarza or Cockell or Layne? He would've obliterated them plain and simple. Try as I might I just can't see Rocky taking this one. His only real chance against Tyson would be by KO but I can't picture Tyson flat on his back taking a ten count from a 185 lb fighter. Mike would be the biggest, fastest, most powerful man that Rocky ever faced. His only chance would be to survive Mike's early onslaught and wear him out and set him up for a later round KO but does anyone realistically see that happening?
     
  11. Bad_Intentions

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    The Tyson that KO'ed Spinks could've KO Rocky in the early rounds.
     
  12. he grant

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    Unforgiven, Langford was one of a kind, the exception to the rule ... by the way, I agree with you ..
     
  13. 'Ben'

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    Yeah but Rocky would of bashe up Spinks though.
     
  14. McGrain

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    OK, i'll have a punt at actually answering the question.

    Rocky could win the fight via heart and workrate and luck. Tyson is fast, fast and hits hard. Rocky is going to get hit, that's pretty inevitable, and he's going to get hit hard. The key is that he not be hit clean, and then that he not be hit cleanly on the follow up. He also needs a very, very good start.

    If he rattles Mike hard with big punches as he's coming in in the first minute, Mike might forget to try to make space for himself. Let's not forget, that's not his game. He didn't do a very good job against Bonecrusher (who was just surviving) of taking the range Bonecrusher wanted to fight at and making space. He didn't use angles or a step back to any great affect so he ended up fighting his opponents fight, just as he did at long-range versus Buster Douglas.

    So clattering Tyson hard early and taking him out of his gameplan, whatever strategy he had planned for keeping the fight at long range and then into mid-range without getting dragged into deep water at close range (assuming he has one - if he doesn't, I pick Rocky anyway). This would give us a situation where Tyson gets some work done, Marciano closes, Marciano scores, sometimes Tyson does as well (but less often) and the referee seperates them.

    Marciano is in great danger every time they are seperated of course, but if he gets caught we know he's got the heart, grit and determination to keep coming back until he is unconscious. This, combined with Mike's lack of "tide turning" heart (never off the deck to win) means that if Marciano can hang in there and keep punching he can most definitely break Mike Tyson. So it's a question of controlling range, staying lucky, staying tough (A given) and keep dropping those bombs, tight as he can.

    I'd say if Marciano is still there after 10 rounds he's the favourite.