HOW exactly could Marciano beat Tyson?

nah, you definately wrong. he didnt fight like a champion in the sense that he was completely unprepared and understimated his opponent but he was a FIGHTER. he tried to the the best he would under the circumstacnes he put himself in. as for the knockdown, yeah douglas got careless but what does that show you? he was still throwing hard shots at douglas but douglas was simply outboxing and beating on him as tyson never expected that douglas was capable of such a performance

 

yup, that 9th rd, tyson charded douglas like a bull because he knew it was his last chance to salvage a night that had going completely wrong for him up until that point. however douglas's determination matched tyson's desperation

 

Tyson's workrate in that fight was nothing like it had been in recent performances. His head was looking down in the corner inbetween rounds, and was hardly looking like he was listening to anything that his people had to say ( albeit, they were doing a pretty shitty job. ) His past approach of throwing multiple combinations on the inside, had been reduced to throwing a single shot here and there, and the uppercut which floored Douglas, was an opportunity that came TO HIM....Not anything that he created an opening for.

Tyson did not fight like a champion that night...

 

I don't know which fight people were watching here, but there is a lot more involved with being committed than just standing there and taking shots. His effort was next to nothing, and after seeing that fight multiple times over the past 20 years ( including once live ) I'm not about to change my position on that.

 

alltough i respect rocky i think he is a bit overrated.
and in this case the outcome is pretty obvious. the only thing rocky's heart and stamina will get him is a "long" beating. he will hit tyson no question about that, but mike could take a punch better then people tend to believe.
but look at all tyson's advantages : he was way way faster. i also think tyson had more punching power then the rock (much more). also mike's punches where more accurat and mike was also much better on the defense then rocky.
personally when it comes to swarmers i like guys like dempsey and marciano and frazier more then tyson but one has to be realistic.

 

He gave effort in perhaps one or two rounds of the fight... Big deal... He didn't apply himself. He said it himself and so did a lot of people at the time. Gil Clancy and Angelo Dundee were interviewed a few weeks after that fight, and both said that if Tyson had dropped his head in the corner they way that he did for Jay Bright and Aron Snowel, that both Clancy and Dundee would have slapped him and said " hold your head up, you're a champion!!!"

Also, using Douglas's performance to try and comparitively boost Tyson's efforts, doesn't do him much justice, as that may have been the WORST that any defending champion has ever shown up..

 

You're taking the testimony of one of his corner people, who's job was on the line as a result of that performance. In fact, he and the rest of them were CANNED following that fight. These were the guys who were trying to control Tyson's swelling with a disolved bag of water.... And as for his conditioning and level of preperation, I'll remind you that he was floored by Greg Page in sparring prior to that match....

 

well, you just brough someting up, you said he was throwing single shots, he had already begin to do that against bruno, throwing single big shots and head hunting, thats why bruno cracked him. had tyson not have a great chin, you might have been talking about bruno being the first man to beat tyson. so tyson's decline had already to take into effect right after the spinks fight. it just reached and all time low vss. douglas due to his lack of respect for douglas and partying in tokyo. as for the kd in the 8th, hey, when you're getting you're ass kicked, the main thing you want is for you oppoenet to make a mistake and take advantage of it. thats what you're suppose to do. he saw the opening and jupmed on it. that shows you that he hadnt given up but his problem was that douglas wasnt about to give up either.

 

It sounds to me like you're working with the OUTCOME of the fight rather than anything that you actually saw.. Tyson took a one-sided beating for 10 rounds, therefore, he must have been motivate... Right? If you watch that fight round by round, he had his head looking down in the corner with an empty expression for virtually the whole evening. Everytime he tried to walk in and got tagged, his persuit of Douglas ended as quickley as it started. Did Ali's jab stop Frazier in his tracks? Did Walcott's detere Marciano? I think not. I will also ad that it wasn't until AFTER Douglas beat Tyson that his abilities were blown to the stars. Prior to the match his power and punching ability was rated average at best....

 

Hey McGrain,

Since you're a big proponent of taking biased testimonies as gospel then why don't you take Tyson's when he clearly said in his post fight interview " I didn't apply myself. "

 

Well when Ruddock hit him flush on the chin with a 3 punch combinations he (Tyson) pointed to his chin and then got 3 more. And ate it. And in those two fights ate a whole lot of shot's. But as he was conditioned and motivated he didnt go down. And Ruddock > Marciano in two hand power. Hell, even a 20 pound overweight, out of shape, tired old Tyson ate many bomb's from LL before going down...out of tiredness more then the punches. Mike's chin is so underrated. So there's your answer. Tyson could take Suzie Q and not even blink. happy:good