How far apart do you feel Golovkin and Saunders are in resume?

I just don't rate Eubank and Lee as that great. Solid, for sure, but if a guy like Eubank was that good he'd have sacked up and faced GGG when he'd had the chance.

Ryder beat Jacobs ... yeah, but a Jacobs that had a LOT more miles on him than when Golovkin faced him, who won pretty clearly and not by SD. The same deal with Murray: a LOT more miles on him than when he faced GGG, and again, Golovkin sealed that deal, just like he stopped a fresher Lemieux. O'Sullivan ... heh ... well, I kinda like him, he's a fun fighter, lots of fire in him. But he's lost almost every time he's stepped up.

It's not just that Golovkin's list is much longer, it's that he beat these guys more convincingly when they were fresher.

For what its worth I think Saunders could have had a much better career if he'd been more serious. What he achieved is not equivalent to the talent he had.

 

Hmm at first I thought you were attempting to be Devils advocate...now i see some unadulterated Bias creeping in...

 

Yes at all...my opinion rightly or wrongly...

 

If you're going to go by argument for x beating x, Golovkin beat Canelo twice.

 

Then don't say "Jacobs but there could have been an argument for him beating Golovkin" if you want to go strictly by the judges.

 

Woo, on your hind legs now ha ha...

 

There is no arguement about GGG beating Jacobs. Close but clear victory for GGG.

 

Here’s the the problem, bud - what you’ve done is made a statement that you believe is true but have phrased it as a question. The parameters that you’ve placed on your “question” are so tight that there’s no room for debate or even nuanced insight. A more honest and forthright way of starting this thread would’ve been to copy and paste boxrec stats for both men and saying, “Based on a cold, hard computer generated formula there is minimal difference between the subjective 5 best wins of GGG and Billy Joe Saunders.”

 

1) Regardless of whether some people think he beat Golovkin, there's a much better argument for Jacobs beating Ryder than Jacobs beating Golovkin
2) Jacobs came in much larger than Golovkin because GGG was restricted in weight gain due to the limit imposed by the IBF, whereas Jacobs simply decided not to contest the IBF belt
3) So you are making the argument that the Jacobs that Ryder beat was defeated by both GGG and Pirog? That doesn't help the cause.

 

Jacobs, Derevyanchenko, Canelo X2..yes he won those ****ing fights, Lemuix, macklin,murray, geale and martirosyan. Billy joe beat a washed murray who retired like twice prior fighting saunders and he beat a washed lemiux and he ran like a *****.