How far declined / shot was Brock on the night he fought Cain?

Should have had more fibre in his diet.What a ****.

 

Not declined or shot at all. 0%.

But he was still not the best Brock we've ever seen, still not as good as the Brock of the Couture and second Mir fights, because back then Brock was fighting regularly, so he was at peak fitness, sharpness, morale and momentum.

People (in MMA much more than boxing I find) again and again and again overlook or ignore the critical importance of this aspect of performance.

The Lesnar who fought Cain had only had 7 minutes of fighting in around 15 months - and most of that was spent getting pummelled by Shane Carwin.

It was impossible for him to be at his best against Cain, he was a lesser fighter that night.

IMO, Cain would still have obliterated the best possible Brock anyway, but a guy with 7 minutes fighting in the last 15 months is not going to be close to his very best.

 

QFT :thumbsup

 

LOL people trying to compare Brock and Fedor. Brock did amatuer wrestling, and pro wrestling, and while I admit the schedule could be/ is grueling no doubt, and the wear and tear on your body...Then add the illness he had.
Thing is though you can't compare a man who has did actually fighting for 11 years now in the cage, has fought some of the best HWs on the planet, has been in some of the greatest wars. Fedor was never exactly the most talented, but he was by far the most durable. He has lost a lot of durability and has just gotten to confident thinking he can go in like a crazed animal and win fights.
You cannot compare Brock's amatuer, and pro wrestling to somebody like Fedor's actual fighting resume. He also fought in Sambo as well himself.
Honestly, I don't know how Fedor lasted this long with the fights he had in the past. Then again, that's why pretty much everybody with some sense agree that thus far he is the ATG of MMA. If he'd just be a little less aggressive I think he could pull out some more wins as well.
As for Brock....Well, he's gotta be about done at this point. Even if he were healthy I think that loss probably took what heart he had. There's no way you can get smashed like that, not used to being able to take punches, and made a heartless fool (although I give the man credit for stepping up to some degree) and not have that in the back of your mind. after Carwin smashed him, you could just tell he wanted no part of Cain's punches either.

 

I'm no expert but knowing full well that these guys besides Monday night primetime also has a couple of house shows throughout the week thats insane schedule. And then you add travel time and rehearsals and no wonder most of these guys are on some kind of drugs. Vince works them to death.

 

To me the WWE is one of the few alternatives for talented athletes who have, or at least used to have no professional outlet for it. Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar are great examples.

These days guys have an actual sport to take part in. For sure there are many high level athletes that go into the WWE, but at what cost? Most of the fanbase are interested in seeing beef train steroid induced freak shows. As MMA fans I'm more interested in what they can do in an unrehearsed, actual bout/fight/ match. Do you think Kurt Angle is clean? You think he hasn't been cycling roids for the past 15+ years of his life? He was a serious talent who wouldn't have needed to had MMA opportunities been available to him back in the day.. The other concern is figher pay. I wonder how much he has made in the WWE.

Hopefully the WWE will be a last resort as far as an outlet/ financial opportunity for high level athletes capable of doing something real in a ring.

WWE, for all its contact didnt teach Lesnar how to fight. He still turtles up when punches come at him and he gets hit. He's really sort of strange to watch, kind of like, Bob Sapp except he's completely fearful of punches and able to wrestle, kinda.

 

Doesnt matter

Brocks problem is that he is SCARED of being punched, its really that simple. Wether he is at his peak or on the decline makes no difference. If Brock did come back (doubtful) everyone is just going to try and bang him out, any good puncher with size and good takedown defence will KO him.

 

This is a joke, right? If I am not getting the sarcasm here feel free to abuse me, but you seem serious, which surely cannot be the case. How the **** does opening your mouth and shaking your hair around to pretend that you're getting punched tire anyone out?

 

very accurate....IF he makes a recovery he needs to have a long ass camp, and half of it should just be getting punched in the damn face

 

Are we talking about the same thing here - steroid freaks jumping around in thongs pretending to hit each other in the hammiest, cheesiest, worst acting performances imaginable for the entertainment of braindead morons worldwide?

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The only thing tiring about this ATG disgrace is having to rub all your fake tan on before mincing down to the ring. :-(

 

And I used to think you were a good poster, Popkins. :-(

 

If you think I'm a bad poster because I don't take two roidheads doing the naked Sunset Beach seriously, then I couldn't be more fine with that.

 

Popkins I'm not kidding and I'm no expert but theres been documentaries on how hard a wrestlers life is on the road. The constant pounding their body takes and the rigorous schedule takes its toll. Thats why most are on some drug. This is not hard to conceptualize. Same thing if you were a construction worker or involved in some hard labor, your body breaks down over time. Kurt Angle did more damage to his body from fake wrestling than from his NCAA career

Now to be objective, someone mentioned Brocks glass jaw and his aversion to getting hit. If so then he could have been 23 years old and still have problems in MMA.

I'm trying to be objective because I hate pro wrestling.