How far declined / shot was Brock on the night he fought Cain?

Brock was fine until he got hit with a right knee in the face. Then he was shot.

 

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Whats the % of wrestlers who made their 50th Bday?

 

I'm no expert on pro wrestling whatsoever, but I would imagine the number that didn't is staggering.

 

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****ing hell.........why the hell would you EVER want to compete in a fake sport that doesn't mean a damn thing when THAT is the fate that awaits you? Really, if you want to participate in a dangerous competition go box and be a legitimate athlete. You might get brain damaged or killed but dying for that is better than dying for a fake belt that I myself could win if the script writer wanted me to.

 

The Ultimate Irony is that simulated fighting is more dangerous than full contact

 

but does simulated fighting make you go down this road?

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Your misunderstanding seems to be over the meaning "declined/shot". My post is not contradictory at all. Both parts complement each other.

A fighter is "declined/shot" if they are nearing the end of their career, and this condition is terminal (see Wanderlei Silva/Chuck Liddell in the last couple of years).

Brock isn't declined or shot. He's had a short career, hadn't taken too much punishment before he met Cain, and if he is matched favourably over the next year or so there's no reason why he can't regain the form he had in the Couture and second Mir fights.

However, he still was not at his best vs Cain, for the reasons I stated in my post. Not being at peak sharpness/form is not the same as being "declined/shot", it's not the same at all. Shogun Rua was not at peak sharpness/form against Griffin and Coleman, but by the time he'd had a few fights he was back at good sharpness/form vs Machida. It would have been erroneous to say Shogun was "declined/shot" against Griffin and Coleman.

 

Why timmy WHY?!

 

Agreed.

Don't buy it at all mate. Flopping onto a canvas mat, especially when you know it's coming and are experienced in falling/landing in a way that minimizes impact, isn't going to damage anyone, other than the 1 in 500 time that they do it wrongly and get a sprained ankle or cracked elbow.

See this is the part I do agree with.

The drugs are what age/dissipate these guys physically. Not pretending that dropping onto a canvas mat is like getting shot in the spine by a sniper rifle.

JMHO. People in pro wrestling greatly exaggerate the physical effects of the whole charade because it legitimizes it to older fans who know it's fake.

 

i just wanted to see if beekeeper has some kind of aoki sixth sense and would post immediately after

 

I'm not saying that it's as damaging as real competition because it isn't. What I will hold firm to is that it hurts. Flying through tables (stunt made or not), falling 12 feet onto a canvas/plywood mat, and all of that other **** certainly isn't as damaging as twelve rounds of championship boxing but it doesn't feel good and when one does it nightly with no respite then it leads to the drugs so that they can continue to do it night after night.

What we should all be able to incontrovertibly agree on, seeing as how we're all fans of real fighting, is that it's a completely pointless and frankly, trashy carnival sideshow form of entertainment. And the sad thing is, someone is going to come into this thread and explain how pro wrestling is somehow a legitimate endeavor and that is mind boggling.

 

I think by declined Haggis meant deteriorated physically.Shot means a fighter has totally deteriorated.I assume that's what the normal usage is.They're not usually considered equivalent.For example,Muhammad Ali's speed and reflexes had declined after his 3 year lay-off,but was not shot.


Besides,you see in athletes from other sports suffer major health episodes.There was this famous Rugby player from New Zealand,called Jonah Lomu,who was never quite the same powerful and confident player , after kidney problems.The boxer Cleveland Williams was a great puncher and a feared top-rank contender .He was shot literally.In this case shot in the stomach by the police officer and had his intestines messed up.Afterwards he was tentative and gun-shy in the ring.