How Far Would Joe Frazier Have Gone Through Louis's Title Reign..?

InMemoryofJakeLamotta · Oct 26, 2025 at 9:26 AM

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Joe would burn out fighting at that rate and lose to someone unexpected.
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Someone unexpected you say? Like Johnny Pachek or Arturo Godoy or Abe Simon?

Fergy · Oct 26, 2025 at 10:07 AM

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He wouldn't have went through Louis's reign undefeated. Max Baer, Braddock, Lewis, Farr and Buddy Baer are the 5 with a substantial chance of winning with probably another 5 having more then a punchers chance.

The thing that makes this tough is that almost all Louis's would be top 10 retired or left the scene shortly after fighting for the belt without fighting most of their peers. In the 70s Frazier falls into the same camp since he didn't fight Norton, Jimmy Young, Lyle or Shavers. Frazier is defined by his Ali and Foreman bouts and Louis's opponents are defined by their failure to defeat Louis. Of the five Louis opponents named above three retired around 25. Braddock had 1 more fight after Louis. Max Baers the only one who has anything resembling a full CV against the elites of his era.

But whether you think Frazier could beat Norton, Young, Lyle, Shavers or not the main reason Fraziers career was over by the time those guys hit the scene is he couldn't really handle wars. The damage that forced Frazier to retire came from what 6 maybe 7 fights? Even if Frazier could run the table I can't see him matching Louis's resume. He'd take too much damage at the start. Since Louis's resume is heavily slanted to the front if he could get through John Henry Lewis or Pastor he'd have the ability to coast from there. He could do what Jeffries, Johnson and Dempsey did where he'd tread water after going on a big run. He could also retire like Tunney. But no way hes finishing Louis's resume.

There are guys Louis didn't fight like Loughran and Lee Murray who could be a serious problem for Frazier as well.
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Braddock, Lewis,Baer s and Farr would all lose imo.

janitor · Oct 26, 2025 at 2:51 PM

Not very close to the end of it.

Frazier was always going to be a star that burned brightly, but relatively briefly.

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