How Fast Floyd Can REALLY Adapt...

No he didnt. He fought basically the same fight. Difference is he wasnt injured the 2nd time. Only real difference is that in the 1st fight Mayweather was leading mid-way through the fight, in the 2nd fight it was even and Mayweather pulled away towards the end.

You should watch it again.

 

Yeah its funny that a Pacquiao fan wants to criticize Floyd for his adaptibility.

 

When has he shown great adaptability though? Judah?? Wow, what a stellar achievement.

I'm against giving false praise is all. Floyd has many great qualities as a fighter, but I've never seen adaptability as one of them. It's very easy to have all sides to your game look sweet when you are facing an overmatched opponent.

If Floyd finds himself deep in the trenches with Shane Mosley and pulls out a way to take over the contest and get the win, I'll say he has proven to have great adaptability.

As of now, I don't see how he has proved it. He couldn't adapt mid-fight to beat Castillo, and only beat him by running the second time. Sure he's adaptable enough, but I really don't see how it is a great strength of his.

 

Bollocks. You clearly don't understand what you are watching.

 

Pac isn't overly adaptable, I've never said otherwise. Pac relies on his A-game, and it's so good it works for him. You don't necessarily have to be adaptable to be a great fighter. Prime Roy Jones fought the same way all the time, his A-game was so good he imposed it on others and had no need to adapt. Conversely, Ray Leonard was a chameleon who could stand in the trenches with Roberto Duran, go hunting Tommy Hearns's head, and run and box Marvin Hagler. Some guys are reactive, some guys are not, it's not a strength or a weakness really, it's a difference in styles.

 

How was Judah overmatched? He was faster, stronger, and spent more time at the weight then Mayweather.

The only area Judah was overmatched is the brain department.

Mayweather, a counter puncher, a boxer, cut off the ring, and pressured Judah as if he was a brawler.

You dont see the amazing adaptibility in that? Mayweather completely changed styles.

Put it this way, it'd be like Pacquiao coming into a fight and becoming a counter puncher

Except you know it'll never get to that point. Mayweather would have already adapted and figured out Mosley's style within the first 2 rounds or so.

He fought Castillo the same way in the 1st fight as the second. You clearly are seeing things that arent there. Differnce was he was healthy.

 

He has 3 losses, 2 draws. 1 of his victories against Marquez is extremely questionable. He could have 4 losses.

Obviously his A game isnt that good.

Floyd Mayweather would have figured out Marquez and beaten. Certainly wouldnt lose to a guy he knocked down 3 times.

Roy Jones could be a counter puncher, pot shot, or he can go out and just beat the **** out of you. See Griffin 2.

 

Tell me Popkins. What difference do you see?


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Mayweather jabs Castillo as he's coming in, potshots, then when up against the ropes, hooks CAstillo and gets out of there using his legs.

Again have you seen these fights?

 

Because he was a clearly inferior fighter to Floyd. Judah had just lost to Baldomir. Floyd was the p4p#1. Floyd was the overwhelming favourite to win the fight. I don't even understand why I'm having to explain that remark, should be clear as day to any boxing fan that Judah was an overmatched opponent.

Zab Judah was not physically stronger than Floyd Mayweather, no chance.

Judah would be overmatched by a dung-beetle in the brain department. He has always been a mental midget.

Yes, but he wasn't being met with any resistance. It's very easy to alter your style when the other guy is demoralized, not returning fire, and basically just trying to hang in there. If Judah was a great fighter or if he fought to the very best of his ability and effort, then Floyd changing styles against him would show great adaptability. But to walk down someone as mentally weak and inhibited as Judah is not really a great achievement of any sort. As I said, every top fighter who fought him beat him, and Judah was faster than all of them.

Pacquiao did operate as a counterpuncher for parts of his fight vs Oscar Larios. Larios kept coming forward all the time, and instead of just meeting him head on and trying to bulldoze him, Pac was trying to make him lead then punish any mistake. Was this an example of sensational adaptability?? Nah, not really, because Larios was overmatched and Pac could pretty much approach it any way he wanted. If Pac fought like this against Shane Mosley or Paul Williams and succeeded, then he would have shown great adaptability, but as it was, he adapted but not in any special or fantastic way.

I'm not sure you actually know what 'adapt' means. Adapt means to change. If Floyd comes out and fights Shane, and beats him, then he hasn't necessarily 'adapted' to Shane. Only if his A-game isn't working and he changes tac and wins, has he successfully adapted mid-fight. I don't think Floyd will have to adapt to Shane in this fight, I think Floyd will be able to come out, backpedal, and box his way to the decision, without having to adapt at any point. However, if the fight does not go the way I think it will and Shane does manage to make it very close and hard-fought before Floyd manages to turn the tide and pull away, then Floyd will have shown great adaptability.

Untrue. Watch the fights.

 

I'm getting pretty bored of this thread. It's pretty clear that talking boxing isn't your strong point.

 

He's a geographical biased fan.

Arguing with him is pointless. He is the equivalent of an ohio kelly nut hugger.

 

Floyd was a 2-1 favorite I believe. Not overwhelming by an stretch. Nobody knew how good Baldomir was at the time, infact going into the fight against Baldomir many thought Floyd would be too small.

What this has to do with the stylistic and physical advantages Judah possessed over Mayweather I dont know. Ever see Ali vs Norton?

Judah's one punch power was greater then Floyds. I dont know who would win in an arm wrestlign competition, but Judah has more power in his punches. Something Cotto even attested to after fighting Mosley. Claimed Zab hit harder.

Nothing to do with anything I said. I said Mayweather completed changed styles, from a counter puncher to a guy who could got off the ring and pressure you. Showing that if Mayweather wanted, he could probably be one of the better pressure fighters in boxing the way he was cutting off the ring and stalking Judah. Has nothing to do with how good Judah is. Its how good Mayweather is that he can fight in almost any style he sees fit.

Pacquiao would take an exchange, the come back with his own. Nothing different to anything he has ever done before. How you see this as "counter punching" I will never know. you clearly dont know what counter punching is

Nonsense. You can adapt at any point in the fight at any second. For instance Hatton when he tried to rush and bully Floyd, he got torn to pieces on the inside, Floyd beat Hatton at his own game. Thats adaptibility. floyd can adapt to any boxers style and use it against them

Floyd will have figured out and adapted to Mosley early on in the fight, just because it was quick, doesnt mean it didnt happen.

Next time you have some free time. Watch how {Pacquiao has fought his whole career, then watch Mayweather. Mayweather has fought differently according to ever fighter he's face. Pinning one style on Floyd is difficult, because one fight he can be a counter puncher, the other fight he can pressure, and another he can be a pure boxer with a jab and movement.

Pacquiao in contrast fights the same every time out. Takes 1-2-3, then comes back with his own 1-2-3-4-5 and overwhelms his opponent.

If Pacquiao was as good at adapting as Floyd he wouldnt have lost to Marquez seemingly twice.

I've posted 2 videos clearly showing i am right and you are wrong.

 

Muh huh, I post 2 video's proving you are wrong, and now its time to call it quits.

 

Thats why Sergio Martinez is one of my favorite fighters. Obviously he was born in Detroit. Dont let the name and accent fool you, a true, blue, Michigander.